MLB: 2015 Minnesota Twins thread

FDWxMan

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He's not dog meat, but he's certainly not staff ace material. We don't need another Santana or Hughes or Carl Pavano or Livan Hernandez; we need a legitimate #1 or #2.

I agree. But where are you going to get it? They don't grow on trees.

And why are we targeting the guy who pitched like a legit #1 or #2 over the last month of the season?

Twins fans need to stop with the ***** envy over payroll and grading players by their salary. It is what it is. Who cares.

Twins brass needs to stop awarding spots based on salary. The money is spent. Best 5 should be out there. Don't jack with guys just because they're making the minimum and instead putting high $$ guys in position to hurt the team.
 
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Taking the rotation back to a level where basically everyone profiles at or close to a 3, and maybe a couple that can pitch like a 2 in stretches would be a significant improvement over what their 162-game profile was this year.

If they had that, they would have made the wildcard with games to spare.
 

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I agree. But where are you going to get it? They don't grow on trees.

And why are we targeting the guy who pitched like a legit #1 or #2 over the last month of the season?

Twins fans need to stop with the ***** envy over payroll and grading players by their salary. It is what it is. Who cares.

Twins brass needs to stop awarding spots based on salary. The money is spent. Best 5 should be out there. Don't jack with guys just because they're making the minimum and instead putting high $$ guys in position to hurt the team.

Since the only hope in the minors is Berrios, so I think they'll have to pony up the money for a free agent signing. This might be the year to do it, too...I know Mauer's eating up 1/4 of the team's payroll, but they've got some big $ coming off the books, too (Torii, Pelfrey, Suzuki). And they're still in the bottom third of MLB teams for total payroll, I think; they should have room to spend. David Price will be the gem of the free agent class this winter and will get a ridiculous contract, so he might be out of our league, but guys like Scott Kazmir and Jordan Zimmermann might be more affordable options that would definitely be an improvement.
 

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I actually don't have a huge problem with the starters. Sanatana, Duffey, Gibson, and possibly Berrios are not bad. Through in Hughes if his issues were injury related, and I actually don't think Milone is a bad #5 as he generally keeps the team in games. I don't know if May to the bullpen is permanent? I think the focus should be on a couple quality bullpen guys, that hurt us way more than starting pitching this year.
 

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I actually don't have a huge problem with the starters. Sanatana, Duffey, Gibson, and possibly Berrios are not bad. Through in Hughes if his issues were injury related, and I actually don't think Milone is a bad #5 as he generally keeps the team in games. I don't know if May to the bullpen is permanent? I think the focus should be on a couple quality bullpen guys, that hurt us way more than starting pitching this year.

The two are extremely closely related. One of the reasons the bullpen failed so often this year is that it was so frequently relied upon. The Twins are in the bottom third of MLB when it comes to innings pitched by starters, quality starts, complete games, number of games where the starter threw over 100 pitches, etc. Conversely, the bullpen throws a lot of innings, has a lot of guys pitching on zero days rest, inherits a lot of runners, etc.

The best fix for an ailing bullpen is starting pitchers who can go deep into the game.
 

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Roundball, out of curiosity, give me your rank 1 to 7 of Hughes, Santana, Gibson, May, Berrios, Duffey, Nolasco for potential states currently on roster for 2016.

(Even though I think they pronably dump Nolasco somewhere for next to nothing)
 

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Since the only hope in the minors is Berrios, so I think they'll have to pony up the money for a free agent signing. This might be the year to do it, too...I know Mauer's eating up 1/4 of the team's payroll, but they've got some big $ coming off the books, too (Torii, Pelfrey, Suzuki). And they're still in the bottom third of MLB teams for total payroll, I think; they should have room to spend. David Price will be the gem of the free agent class this winter and will get a ridiculous contract, so he might be out of our league, but guys like Scott Kazmir and Jordan Zimmermann might be more affordable options that would definitely be an improvement.

Agree- I would much rather get one of the good 2nd tier starters, get a couple reliable bullpen arms, and a decent veteran catcher that can handle the staff. Would love to upgrade the pop in the lineup, but with Mauer's contract I think the Twins will just need to operate with that as a weakness. Working around a massive contract for a player in an offensive position hitting like Omar Visquel isn't easy to work around, but it's got to happen.

There is certainly reason for optimism after this year. I would love to see some big upgrades, but I don't think that is going to happen, so hopefully some smart incremental improvements can do the trick. I'm also glad they didn't do a crazy Brett Boone type deal at the break.
 

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Roundball, out of curiosity, give me your rank 1 to 7 of Hughes, Santana, Gibson, May, Berrios, Duffey, Nolasco for potential states currently on roster for 2016.

(Even though I think they pronably dump Nolasco somewhere for next to nothing)

Oh boy, a real Sophie's choice there, haha. Not positive, but maybe this:

1&2 tie - Santana/Gibson (if Gibson looks like first-half Gibson in spring training, I give him the ball...otherwise Santana 1st, Gibson 2nd)
3 - Duffey
4 - May
5 - Hughes
6 - Berrios (total unknown at this point)
7 - Nolasco (I really hope you're right about them dumping him)
 

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1&2 tie - Santana/Gibson (if Gibson looks like first-half Gibson in spring training, I give him the ball...otherwise Santana 1st, Gibson 2nd)
3 - Duffey
4 - May
5 - Hughes
6 - Berrios (total unknown at this point)
7 - Nolasco (I really hope you're right about them dumping him)

I would agree this ranking, no doubt Nolasco is the worst of the bunch. What does Ricky's contract look like?
 

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CBS sports has an article out recapping 2015 and their early 2016 prediction is back to 90 losses. No respect, I tell ya!

That CBS preview is one of the most poorly-written things I've ever read; I doubt the guy watched a single game. He says that Sano strikes out a lot but has great plate discipline (not sure how that makes sense), calls Molitor a "young" manager (he's 59, older than Ron Gardenhire), and mentions shortstop Danny "Salazar" as the team's biggest disappointment.
 

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That CBS preview is one of the most poorly-written things I've ever read; I doubt the guy watched a single game. He says that Sano strikes out a lot but has great plate discipline (not sure how that makes sense), calls Molitor a "young" manager (he's 59, older than Ron Gardenhire), and mentions shortstop Danny "Salazar" as the team's biggest disappointment.

So we have one of the better young rosters in the league and the writer says we lose 90 games like we were supposed to this year? What.....
 

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I just read through this entire thread. Ah, the memories. The ups and downs. The tears. The joy. Baseball!

End of thread award for funniest post, this one:

1) Buxton CF
2) Dozier 2B
3) Mauer 1B
4) Sano DH
5) Rosario LF
6) Plouffe 3B
7) Hicks RF
8) Suzuki C
9) Escobar SS

Hughes opening day P

...assuming we don't trade Mauer and Suzuki.

LOL at the idea that someone would willingly take Joe Mauer and his huge contract off our hands!

Also, I think FDWxMan and I would be amazing co-managers of a baseball team.
 

FDWxMan

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I just read through this entire thread. Ah, the memories. The ups and downs. The tears. The joy. Baseball!

End of thread award for funniest post, this one:



LOL at the idea that someone would willingly take Joe Mauer and his huge contract off our hands!

Also, I think FDWxMan and I would be amazing co-managers of a baseball team.

We'd be able to make up one hell of a front office at least!
 

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Roundball, out of curiosity, give me your rank 1 to 7 of Hughes, Santana, Gibson, May, Berrios, Duffey, Nolasco for potential states currently on roster for 2016.

(Even though I think they pronably dump Nolasco somewhere for next to nothing)

Here's mine:
1. Santana- pitched well in September, going to chalk the inconsistencies up to the suspension.
2. Hughes- down year but I have a hard time ignoring 2014 completely. Think true talent lies between this season and last
3. Gibson- solid 3/4, doesn't look to be much more though.
4. Duffey- not sold on him, lacks a track record or pedigree outside of this year but he did well enough to earn a spot
5. May- shouldn't have been placed in the bullpen to begin with, was the most strike out capable pitcher for the Twins, something they could've used but of course they gave in to the whiny veteran(Pelfrey)
6. Milone- tempted to rate him higher as he did a decent job and would break up a R handed starting rotation.
7. Berrios- if you kept him out in August/September this year, might as well hold off til June or so next year to gain an extra year of control.
8. Nolasco- He's not as bad as the results thus far appear but he's not enough better to justify 12 million a year. Trade him, eat some his contract if you have to and get back a usable prospect(or as part of a trade for a catcher) and use the savings to improve the team elsewhere.

Starting rotation doesn't concern me that much. I don't think it'll be great in 2016, but it should be servicable and noticeably improving it would likely cost too much in either dollars or prospects to justify a move.

Bullpen needs serious work. Jepsen and Perkins are the only no brainers there(even with Perkins end of season issues). Fien was also good enough to bring back another year but he's clearly regressed. Everyone else ranges from easily replaceable to downright bad(No, I do not trust Boyer at all, despite a pretty ERA).
Tonkin and Pressly are the two I would be most serious about giving more chances. Given that, acquiring at least 1, probably 2 quality relief pitchers are needed this offseason

Next comes catcher. Suzuki is a solid defensive catcher, he just doesn't hit enough. Twins clearly don't feel comfortable with Pinto back there though. No idea how much he's looking for but Wieters could be interesting. I also really like Dioner Navarro. Trade wise I'm not familar enough with what's availible.

Finally, depending on how ready they feel Buxton is, another outfielder could be nice. Would need to be willing to slide into a part time role though.

1. Hicks- RF/CF
2. Dozier- 2B
3. Sano- 3B/DH
4. Plouffe-3B/DH/Corner OF?
5. Mauer- 1B
6. Escobar- SS
7. Rosario-RF/LF
8. Buxton/??- OF
9. New catcher

Bench- Suzuki, Nunez, Vargas/Arcia?(both seem to be pretty deep in the Twins doghouse), Robinson(or other similar 4th/5th OF)

Guys like Santana, Vargas, Arcia and Pinto need to be seriously looked at as they've all flashed some good play. Do you trade away one of starters(say, Plouffe)to strengthen other areas of the team and hope these guys are ready contribute on a more consistent basis?

While continued improvement from young players will help, the team needs to look outside the organization for help as well as this team outperformed their win expectancy.
 

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LOL at the idea that someone would willingly take Joe Mauer and his huge contract off our hands!

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Agree it's a long shot, but I'm hearing there's a chance he could be in a Boston uniform next year.
 

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Well now I have no choice but to root for the Cubbies to win it all because I'm a huge back to the future fan and they predicted it happens in 2015.
 

FDWxMan

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I believe Berrios need only be down a couple weeks to start this year to get an extra year, a la Kris Bryant.

Holding him out until mid-year would only prevent an extra year of arbitration (Super 2 status) but would not extend team control over a mid April or May call up.
 

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Torii Hunter announced his retirement today. Probably the right move for the team and for him.

But it was sure fun having him back for one year. I'm convinced that he was a big part of the reason that the Twins had some success this year. Hopefully he'll stick around the organization.
 

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