***2023-24 College Football Thread***

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Penn State is a very average team.

Their offense is very MEH.
Their defense is very good.


They are not a GOOD team. They are an above average team.

They benefit from having the name Penn State. And being the 3rd best team in the Big 10. Because somehow that matters.
There's 130 teams roughly in college football. How many do you consider good? Above average to me means like your the 35th to 45th team if they ranked them that far out.
 

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There's 130 teams roughly in college football. How many do you consider good? Above average to me means like your the 35th to 45th team if they ranked them that far out.
That’s exactly my point, yeah I don’t have Penn state beating anyone in the top 8, those are the great teams that could win a natty, but from #9 missouri on down I would have Penn state as either a favorite or even spread on a neutral field. Yeah it’s possible LSU could show up but they could also get run over with that defense.

Like do you think they would lose to Louisville, Arizona, or ND, because they are 14,15,17 respectively and we saw what they did to #16 Iowa.
 
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That’s exactly my point, yeah I don’t have Penn state beating anyone in the top 8, those are the great teams that could win a natty, but from #9 missouri on down I would have Penn state as either a favorite or even spread on a neutral field. Yeah it’s possible LSU could show up but they could also get run over with that defense.

Like do you think they would lose to Louisville, Arizona, or ND, because they are 14,15,17 respectively and we saw what they did to #16 Iowa.

Yes I do think PSU would lose to those 3 teams. That number by Iowa is a poor reflection of what they actually are. An above average Penn St team took them to the woodshed.
 

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There's 130 teams roughly in college football. How many do you consider good? Above average to me means like your the 35th to 45th team if they ranked them that far out.
College football as a whole is down I feel. There are some great teams at the top, but then a pretty steep drop off after that with a bunch of decent to good teams.

Probably why we haven't seen any upsets at all this year.
 
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Arizona, yes, I think they would lose.

Louisville and ND - I don't know. I'd say it was more of a coin flip because I Don't trust Louisville and I don't trust ND much more.

Maybe they beat Louisville, IDK, who also lost to Pitt, but if you push me, I don't think they beat ND but thats 51-49 for me
 
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Penn State is a good team but they should be great. Allar was a 5 star QB and they're in a recruiting hotbed.
 
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Penn State is a good team but they should be great. Allar was a 5 star QB and they're in a recruiting hotbed.
They're like Texas or a Lincoln Riley team - always have a Top 10-ish class but never win the big games but feast on a lot of weaker opponents. Franklin, Day, Lincoln are all propped up by weak schedules despite under developing or exploiting their talent advantages in big games.
 

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This is the same Penn St team that won the Rose Bowl by two TDs last year. I think some of these comments about how they never beat anyone are kind of silly. Having said that, I’m sure someone will jump through some mental gymnastics about how winning 11 games and winning the Rose Bowl isn’t really that impressive.
 
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This is the same Penn St team that won the Rose Bowl by two TDs last year. I think some of these comments about how they never beat anyone are kind of silly. Having said that, I’m sure someone will jump through some mental gymnastics about how winning 11 games and winning the Rose Bowl isn’t really that impressive.
Who gives a **** about last season? Do 2022 games count towards their record in 2023?

Do Drew Tate's junior year statistics mean that he wasn't ass his senior year?
 

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This is the same Penn St team that won the Rose Bowl by two TDs last year. I think some of these comments about how they never beat anyone are kind of silly. Having said that, I’m sure someone will jump through some mental gymnastics about how winning 11 games and winning the Rose Bowl isn’t really that impressive.
Cool, Michigan was down 19 to TCU in the CFP last year, Michigan obviously doesn't belong this year.
 

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College football as a whole is down I feel. There are some great teams at the top, but then a pretty steep drop off after that with a bunch of decent to good teams.

Probably why we haven't seen any upsets at all this year.
I personally feel like separation from top 8-10 to rest has never been larger. What was the most shocking upset of the season this year? Kansas beating Oklahoma maybe? Seems like there used to much bigger upsets but this year the top 10 is mostly undefeated teams or a team with a loss to another top 10 team.
 

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This is the same Penn St team that won the Rose Bowl by two TDs last year. I think some of these comments about how they never beat anyone are kind of silly. Having said that, I’m sure someone will jump through some mental gymnastics about how winning 11 games and winning the Rose Bowl isn’t really that impressive.
Well it was impressive last year but results don’t carry over as many pointed out. Sparty won 11 games and a peach bowl in 2021 that doesn’t mean jack for the following season.
 
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In my opinion, any team that loses a conference championship game should be eliminated from a 4-team play-off. They lost their play-in game.
My only question is did you have this opinion of TCU last year? Not being snarky just an honest question. And not how you feel right now to make it fit your point but how did you feel last year if you can remember?
 

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Who gives a **** about last season? Do 2022 games count towards their record in 2023?

Do Drew Tate's junior year statistics mean that he wasn't ass his senior year?
Totally agree about that, but several of these posts have veered into the idea that Penn State never wins anything and is never any good.

If a team somewhat routinely wins 11 games it makes people saying they never win anything seem silly. If they win the bowl game this year that will make it the 5th time James Franklin has done that.
 

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Totally agree about that, but several of these posts have veered into the idea that Penn State never wins anything and is never any good.

If a team somewhat routinely wins 11 games it makes people saying they never win anything seem silly. If they win the bowl game this year that will make it the 5th time James Franklin has done that.
I don't think anybody is saying they've never won anything. But I can't think of a team outside of Texas A&M or Texas that has done less with more over the past decade. Yes, they rack up the wins, just like Iowa did this year. And yes they occasionally win a bowl game, but they're typically more paper tigers than hairy lions.