Often the vertical tail is sized for engine failure at the most critical time, usually at takeoff rotation. The housefly flies in circles because there's no tail to straighten it out. The airplane will counter the asymmetric thrust with a little rudder and fly just fine.
60 Minutes segment on Allegiant Air
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Often the vertical tail is sized for engine failure at the most critical time, usually at takeoff rotation. The housefly flies in circles because there's no tail to straighten it out. The airplane will counter the asymmetric thrust with a little rudder and fly just fine.
I have always felt the 737 had a disproportionately large vertical stabilizer.
In the event of an emergency, your seat cushion MAY be used as a toilet.
I flew back from Vegas on Allegiant the morning after it aired and didn't think twice.
Every time I watch a 60 Minutes or 20/20 episode on a topic I'm familiar with such as GMO, ethanol, Meat Packing, etc. it reminds me of how badly they twist, mis-represent, and omit the facts. I believe they do this with every topic they report on and thus take them all with a grain of salt.
Every time I watch a 60 Minutes or 20/20 episode on a topic I'm familiar with such as GMO, ethanol, Meat Packing, etc. it reminds me of how badly they twist, mis-represent, and omit the facts. I believe they do this with every topic they report on and thus take them all with a grain of salt.
I just watched the episode and did not get the impression they were misrepresenting facts or pulling off a smear campaign.
I've heard before about the above normal number of problems Allegiant has, and have been concerned about the safety of flying with them. Like others, I am equally concerned about the FAA's lack of response, and think that could be its own story.
Not correct at all, all aircraft (including that C-130) are required to be able to climb out at initial take off weight(at there heaviest) with one engine inoperative. Much less power required in cruise and descent to landing. Also, not saying that this pilot didn't do a good job, she did, but the worst pilot at Southwest is able to land this plane safely. That is what all US airline pilots constantly train for.
If you ever see a 60 minutes story about something you are familiar with you will agree with this. Saw something like this in the 90's with a story I had direct knowledge of twisted entirely around. There may be issues at Allegiant that need to be addressed, but the lack of integrity of 60 minutes doesn't convince me of it.
The ability to fly an aircraft with what is called non centerline thrust is a rating on a pilot certificate. Losing an engine on an aircraft with non-centerline thrust is primarily a control issue. When the engine fails a yaw or pivoting motion is induced, because of the swept wing, the plane rolls into the dead engine. A pilot will initially stop the roll using the yoke (steering wheel like thing) and then "step on the low hand" using the rudder pedals to level the yoke. It is all very natural and easy when practiced enough. On a 737 the engines are so close to the fuselage that there really isn't much yaw. The other issue that came up on this is the rapid decompression. The pilots will immediately go on oxygen with what are called quick dons (oxygen masks) and then start a descent to get below at least 25,000' where it is safe to continue on oxygen and more ideally 10,000' where oxygen use can be discontinued.
In general aviation (small airplanes) multi engine planes are statistically much more deadly to fly than single engine aircraft. The reason is any rich doctor or rock star can buy a small plane and fly it with little training. When an engine fails they often roll over and dive for the ground. . When a single engine plane loses its lone engine, it can be glided in for a relatively slow landing which depending on terrain should always be survivable.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna867296?__twitter_impression=trueDelta or bust, if the worst thing I have to do with them is connect through Hartsfield, I can deal. They have Yuengling at their bars and a Five Guys.
Here is a good article on what we know what happened, the regulations and testing involved and some other stuff. If you are an engineer I think you will enjoy it.
https://jonostrower.com/2018/04/the-collateral-damage-failed-cfm56-engine/
https://jonostrower.com/2018/04/the-collateral-damage-failed-cfm56-engine/
This happens somewhat regularly on a variety of carriers but I felt it fits in here.
http://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Al...fter-smoke-reported-in-cockpit-487334831.html
http://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Al...fter-smoke-reported-in-cockpit-487334831.html
One factor to consider is that the vast majority of the mechanical concerns with Allegiant is from their rather old MD-80's. By the end of 2018, they will have replaced all of them with much newer Airbus planes. That should help.
So maybe in 2019 we can get our Allegiant confidence back???
So maybe in 2019 we can get our Allegiant confidence back???
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I sure hope so. We're planning a family trip to Orlando in January, and my pocketbook sure wouldn't mind Allegiant prices.
Just flew Allegiant for the first time and it was very smooth, although it was a newer Airbus 319. They did switch aircraft the day before we left and the seats that we paid for in front of the exit row wound up 5 back which was slightly disappointing. You just can't beat flying out of a smaller airport and NON-stop.
Yes, but, I'm United 1K Global Service and I can't recall ever being on a United flight with smoke in the cockpit. You just can't beat a proper maintenance plan!
Not all of those Airbuses are new though. The current average age of their A319s is 13 years and slightly younger at 12.2 years for the A320s. Yes they have started to buy and take delivery of some brand new planes but are only expected to receive a total of 16 more 319s and 320s. American and American Eagle seem to have the youngest fleets with United and Delta having older fleets than even Allegiant. So the question is do United and Delta have the same number of problems (or more) than Allegiant?
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Allegiant-Air
