All 256 Potential Outcomes for Week 14 Games

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Okay, so with 8 remaining games there were "only" 256 scenarios to plug into MRED. I did cheat a little bit and assumed that the results of the Utah/UCF game will not have an impact. I did do this manually, so there may be a few errors but it should be pretty close. This does not account for probability of winning for any team - this is strictly looking at all potential outcomes and the resulting CCG matchup.

Summary:
  • The OSU/CU game won't really tell us anything on Friday. There are a few more scenarios that put ISU in the CCG if OSU wins, but in all it's just not that important. However an OSU victory would increase the scenarios where ISU is the home team in the CCG.
  • There are 6 scenarios in which ISU could beat KSU and still not make the CCG. All include victories by Colorado, Texas Tech, Arizona State and Houston. As long as that specific combination does not happen, ISU will be in the CCG by beating KSU. Root for BYU and WVU next weekend - as long as one of them wins, we avoid the Doomsday Scenario.
    • If somehow those four teams all win, then we need Baylor AND Cincinnati to win to give us a Colorado @ ISU championship.
  • There are 0 scenarios where ISU loses to KSU and still makes the CCG. ISU must win.
  • The most frequent CCG scenario is ISU @ ASU, followed by BYU @ ISU. There are some weird things that could result in Baylor @ ISU or WVU @ ISU. There's a path for a WVU @ Kansas CCG. Typo - was KSU not Kansas.
Updated to incorporate early money lines (charts at bottom)
I used the aggregated lines from VSiN. I'm not a bettor so I don't know how valid that is, but they were one of the two odds aggregators listed on Circa Sports. I converted the moneylines to "implied probability" for each team, then combined those with the scenarios to determine the likelihood of each scenario. From that I can add up the likelihoods for each scenario that is favorable to get ISU's overall chances at least according to sportsbooks.

  • ISU is 53.2% to make the championship; about 3X more likely to do so as the "visitor."
  • Our most likely opponents in order are Arizona State, BYU, and Colorado.


Outcomes as of Sunday, 11/24
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Outcome after Friday's OSU/CU game:
ISU Pareto After OSU-CU.png

The 6 "Doomsday Scenarios" for ISU:
ISU Wins & Misses CCG.png

Scenarios for each team:
(Found a typo that incorrectly said Kansas had a path. Should have been KSU).
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Possible CCG scenarios:
(Found a typo that incorrectly said Kansas had a path. Should have been KSU).
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Updated Charts

TeamMoney LineImplied Probability
Oklahoma State54113.3%
Colorado-80586.7%
Utah26525.2%
UCF-33374.8%
TCU-13856.0%
Cincinnati11744.0%
Kansas-10448.6%
Baylor-11651.4%
Arizona26225.5%
Arizona State-32974.5%
Texas Tech-16760.5%
WVU14139.5%
ISU-14356.7%
KSU12043.3%
BYU-58383.0%
Houston41417.0%

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Okay, so with 8 remaining games there were "only" 256 scenarios to plug into MRED. I did cheat a little bit and assumed that the results of the Utah/UCF game will not have an impact. I did do this manually, so there may be a few errors but it should be pretty close. This does not account for probability of winning for any team - this is strictly looking at all potential outcomes and the resulting CCG matchup.

Summary:
  • The OSU/CU game won't really tell us anything on Friday. There are a few more scenarios that put ISU in the CCG if OSU wins, but in all it's just not that important. However an OSU victory would increase the scenarios where ISU is the home team in the CCG.
  • There are 6 scenarios in which ISU could beat KSU and still not make the CCG. All include victories by Colorado, Texas Tech, Arizona State and Houston. As long as that specific combination does not happen, ISU will be in the CCG by beating KSU. Root for BYU and WVU next weekend - as long as one of them wins, we avoid the Doomsday Scenario.
    • If somehow those four teams all win, then we need Baylor AND Cincinnati to win to give us a Colorado @ ISU championship.
  • There are 0 scenarios where ISU loses to KSU and still makes the CCG. ISU must win.
  • The most frequent CCG scenario is ISU @ ASU, followed by BYU @ ISU. There are some weird things that could result in Baylor @ ISU or WVU @ ISU. There's a path for a WVU @ Kansas CCG.

Outcomes as of Sunday, 11/24
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Outcome after Friday's OSU/CU game:
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The 6 "Doomsday Scenarios" for ISU:
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Scenarios for each team:
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Possible CCG scenarios:
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Confused. My understanding is if Oklahoma St beats Colorado (and we win) no matter what we are in Arlington. But you’re “won’t really tell us much” implies I’m wrong
 
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So there are 128 scenarios that involve ISU beating KState and only 6 of them are the Doomsday scenarios. Sounds good to me!

I too played with it, there are a couple scenarios for an 8-way tie at 6-3. In all of them, it seems we end up 7th per tie breakers
 
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On tv they said the Big 12 has confirmed that if Iowa State and Arizona State win, they are both in the championship game. So I don't understand the six scenarios where ISU wins but is left out.
 

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On tv they said the Big 12 has confirmed that if Iowa State and Arizona State win, they are both in the championship game. So I don't understand the six scenarios where ISU wins but is left out.
The unspoken/implied component is that the BIg XII will NOT apologize when that turns out to not be true.
 

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Confused. My understanding is if Oklahoma St beats Colorado (and we win) no matter what we are in Arlington. But you’re “won’t really tell us much” implies I’m wrong
I'm saying that on Friday night we won't know any more than we do now. So before our game, the winner of the Friday games don't significantly change anything for us. Regardless of the OSU/CU game, we need to win.

That's in contrast to yesterday, where we would know after the CU/KU game if ISU had a chance. ISU has to win no matter what but had CU beat KU then our win wouldn't have mattered with regard to the CCG.
 

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On tv they said the Big 12 has confirmed that if Iowa State and Arizona State win, they are both in the championship game. So I don't understand the six scenarios where ISU wins but is left out.
That's what my brain heard when I first heard it too. They confirmed that we are in with a four way tie. The scenario with BYU losing makes it a three way tie with ASU & Colorado. This is where we're vulnerable.