Amare Stoudmire injures hand

[HFCS]

agreed with CyJack. One of those injuries has the potential to swing a series (Rose). The Heat weren't losing to the rest regardless.

Before this series I saw a few NBA guys talking about how NY would give Miami problems. It's almost as if they forgot how good Miami can be defensively when they want to. NY never had a chance.

NYN have been the most poorly managed sports team on planet Earth for the past 15 years...but man can you ever feel the media just HOPING that they don't suck.

Tyson Chandler as the overwhelming DPOTY this year is a sign of this disease of the brain. He might crack my top 15 defensive players in the league if he's at his best.

They added a ton of star power to rise from 100% suck, to completely exactly average, listening to the media you'd think they were the 72-10 Bulls sometimes.

Miami was going to win regardless like you said, but with no Stourdamire, Lin or Shumpert it's a total layup and a gift to rest up before playing the SPAZTASTIC Indiana Heat who will be a bit of a headache for them.

 

[Yes13]

Amare's injury obviously isn't to blame on the schedule but most all the injuries are to blame and you can't deny that this season has had more people hurt than any other in recent memory.

Disagree. It might seem like that because your team is injury prone this year, but every team has those years where everyone seemingly gets hurt.

 

[rholtgraves]

Pardon me for not taking what talking heads say as gospel. The problem with your argument is that Rose doesn't qualify. He didn't play in half the games and had all kinds of rest leading up to the playoffs.

Under your hypothesis, Rose should have been the least likely to get injured.

Roses prior injuries could have been caused by a lack of training camp and a condensed schedule. So he does qualify.

 

[CyJack13]

NYN have been the most poorly managed sports team on planet Earth for the past 15 years...but man can you ever feel the media just HOPING that they don't suck.

Tyson Chandler as the overwhelming DPOTY this year is a sign of this disease of the brain. He might crack my top 15 defensive players in the league if he's at his best.

They added a ton of star power to rise from 100% suck, to completely exactly average, listening to the media you'd think they were the 72-10 Bulls sometimes.

Miami was going to win regardless like you said, but with no Stourdamire, Lin or Shumpert it's a total layup and a gift to rest up before playing the SPAZTASTIC Indiana Heat who will be a bit of a headache for them.

Chandler might not be the best defensive player in the league but he's right up there, and I'd love to see what 15 guys you have ahead of him.

Lin wouldn't make a difference in this series. He never clicked playing Melo and would have been ate alive by Miami's perimeter defense.

 

[CycloneRoss]

Somebody tell me a more dysfunctional team than the New York Knicks. What a joke.

 

[Clark]

NYN have been the most poorly managed sports team on planet Earth for the past 15 years...but man can you ever feel the media just HOPING that they don't suck.

Tyson Chandler as the overwhelming DPOTY this year is a sign of this disease of the brain. He might crack my top 15 defensive players in the league if he's at his best.

They added a ton of star power to rise from 100% suck, to completely exactly average, listening to the media you'd think they were the 72-10 Bulls sometimes.

Miami was going to win regardless like you said, but with no Stourdamire, Lin or Shumpert it's a total layup and a gift to rest up before playing the SPAZTASTIC Indiana Heat who will be a bit of a headache for them.

I agree completely about the media's hoping the Knicks will be good but I disagree slightly about Chandler. The DPOY award has long favored post defenders over perimiter defenders and he's one of the best post defenders.

If people want to throw a pity party about how lucky the Heat are, they shouldn't be talking about the injuries but rather the matchups they drew as the two seed. Indiana finishing ahead of Boston was the best thing to happen to the Heat this season.

 

[Clones21]

Who cares about the Heat. The Thunder are going to end up beating them in the finals anyway..

 

[Clark]

Roses prior injuries could have been caused by a lack of training camp and a condensed schedule. So he does qualify.

How do those earlier injuries impact his ACL tear? Tearing knee ligaments has shown more to be from bad luck than anything.

 

[clone319]

How do those earlier injuries impact his ACL tear? Tearing knee ligaments has shown more to be from bad luck than anything.

Injuries can lead to other injuries. The body tries to compensate for an injury, and puts added stress on other parts of the body. I'm not saying that this is the case, but it is definitely a possibility.

 

[rholtgraves]

Injuries can lead to other injuries. The body tries to compensate for an injury, and puts added stress on other parts of the body. I'm not saying that this is the case, but it is definitely a possibility.

Agree, I am not saying that the other injuries caused the ACL injury. But because of the previous injuries he could have moving in ways he usually doesn't move because he is favoring one foot or leg etc.

 

[HFCS]

Chandler might not be the best defensive player in the league but he's right up there, and I'd love to see what 15 guys you have ahead of him.

Lin wouldn't make a difference in this series. He never clicked playing Melo and would have been ate alive by Miami's perimeter defense.

Chandler doesn't have elite rebounding or shot blocking stats so you assume he must be a great one on one defender or among league leaders in steals or something. Nope. Then he must be the anchor of a top 5 or top 10 defense...nope.

Iman Shumpert on his own team is a much higher impact one on one defender and disrupter.

On the Bulls alone Deng, Noah, Asik, Gibson and Brewer are much better one on one defenders. Noah's defensive stats are nearly identical to Chandler's, on the league's best defense. Asik and Gibson outproduce Chandler defensively per minute. Chandler doesn't even rebound at any better rate than Carlos Boozer who is considered a poor defender. Not saying any of those guys should be defensive player of the year, but they all play on a truly elite defense and Deng and Noah are certainly at least as valuable on defense...no defensive player of the year talk for any of them, while Chandler is the overwhelming choice.

Around the league just big (or somewhat big) men...
Howard - much better defender
LeBron - much better defender
Ibaka - comparable overall defensive stats, much better one on one defender.
Bynum - better in all defensive stats
Hibbert - comparable defensive stats
Marc Gasol - comparable stats on a better defense
Tim Duncan - comparable defensive stats
Noah - comparable defensive stats on a better defense
Camby - comparable (still)
Humphries - slightly better defensive stats
Millsap -comparable

Perimeter and wing defenders who coaches worry about disrupting their offense more than Chandler:
Paul
Deng
LeBron
Kobe
Rondo
Tony Allen
Shumpert

Probably 5 of those guys I'd say were clearly better defenders and all the rest have as good an argument. Chandler DPOTY is a media invention, it's the "NYN improved up to average for the first time in 15 years" award.

 

[CyJack13]

Chandler doesn't have elite rebounding or shot blocking stats so you assume he must be a great one on one defender or among league leaders in steals or something. Nope. Then he must be the anchor of a top 5 or top 10 defense...nope.

Iman Shumpert on his own team is a much higher impact one on one defender and disrupter.

On the Bulls alone Deng, Noah, Asik, Gibson and Brewer are much better one on one defenders. Noah's defensive stats are nearly identical to Chandler's, on the league's best defense. Asik and Gibson outproduce Chandler defensively per minute. Chandler doesn't even rebound at any better rate than Carlos Boozer who is considered a poor defender. Not saying any of those guys should be defensive player of the year, but they all play on a truly elite defense and Deng and Noah are certainly at least as valuable on defense...no defensive player of the year talk for any of them, while Chandler is the overwhelming choice.

Around the league just big (or somewhat big) men...
Howard - much better defender
LeBron - much better defender
Ibaka - comparable overall defensive stats, much better one on one defender.
Bynum - better in all defensive stats
Hibbert - comparable defensive stats
Marc Gasol - comparable stats on a better defense
Tim Duncan - comparable defensive stats
Noah - comparable defensive stats on a better defense
Camby - comparable (still)
Humphries - slightly better defensive stats
Millsap -comparable

Perimeter and wing defenders who coaches worry about disrupting their offense more than Chandler:
Paul
Deng
LeBron
Kobe
Rondo
Tony Allen
Shumpert

Probably 5 of those guys I'd say were clearly better defenders and all the rest have as good an argument. Chandler DPOTY is a media invention, it's the "NYN improved up to average for the first time in 15 years" award.

What defensive stats are you using? Chandler is ahead of Bynum, Humphries, Hibbert and Milsap in both defensive win shares and defensive rating. Most of the other guys you listed are comparable although you left off two of the best in KG and Josh Smith.

2011-12 NBA Leaders | Basketball-Reference.com

Also, the fact that the Bulls have multiple elite defenders on their team makes a great argument for Chandler. He's spent the majority of the year playing for Mike D'Antoni and alongside Mike Bibby, Baron Davis, Carmelo, Amare, Steve Novak, JR Smith, Jeremy Lin and led the Knicks to a top five ranking in defensive efficiency.

Hollinger's NBA Team Stats - ESPN Insider - National Basketball Association - ESPN

He's not the best defender in the league, but you can't give it to Howard after he ruined his team's season this year, big men have more of a defensive impact than perimeter defenders, Chandler is a top 10, top 15 defender by every metric out there, and he led a pretty huge turnaround for the Knicks D. There's certainly more attention on him after his terrific defensive performance in the NBA finals last year and he backed it up with a great season.

 

[HFCS]

What defensive stats are you using? Chandler is ahead of Bynum, Humphries, Hibbert and Milsap in both defensive win shares and defensive rating. Most of the other guys you listed are comparable although you left off two of the best in KG and Josh Smith.

2011-12 NBA Leaders | Basketball-Reference.com

Also, the fact that the Bulls have multiple elite defenders on their team makes a great argument for Chandler. He's spent the majority of the year playing for Mike D'Antoni and alongside Mike Bibby, Baron Davis, Carmelo, Amare, Steve Novak, JR Smith, Jeremy Lin and led the Knicks to a top five ranking in defensive efficiency.

Hollinger's NBA Team Stats - ESPN Insider - National Basketball Association - ESPN

He's not the best defender in the league, but you can't give it to Howard after he ruined his team's season this year, big men have more of a defensive impact than perimeter defenders, Chandler is a top 10, top 15 defender by every metric out there, and he led a pretty huge turnaround for the Knicks D. There's certainly more attention on him after his terrific defensive performance in the NBA finals last year and he backed it up with a great season.

In boards, blocks steals the bigs I listed are all roughly equal or better.

Noah is ahead of Chandler in 2/3 of the stats you deem the important ones that you linked. Yet ESPN polled its writers and Chandler had about half the 40 votes for DPOTY and Noah had just one. Your stats prove my point. Chandler as runaway defensive player of the year is because he plays on NYN and they are finally an average team so the media are creaming themselves. Nothing in those stats says, HE'S THE BEST! The only thing that suggests that is NY market.