Anyone else disgusted with the officials?

[Rural]

I hate even participating in "refs suck" threads but I won't let that stop me.

Two things:

(1) The guy who guarded Bryce in the first couple minutes of the game did about everything up to putting a "Sister Abigail" on him. The first call made involving them? Bryce for pushing off (known some places as "let go of me").

(2) Since we all watched on TV, FranF went through his usual ISU talking points, Hickory Park, Nerlens Noel, etc.

Multiple times FranF referenced Huggy getting rid of all the p*ssies who could shoot the ball and replacing them with "junkyard dogs". Nobody should be surprised by any of this.

I'm glad I wasn't the one attempting to ref that garbage, that would be my defense of the refs.

 

[twocoach]

I can't really speak to the disparity of fouls but it seemed like the refs may have had an edict from the Big 12 to keep this game under control considering the way last year's game at WVU went. It would've been nice if they would have let them play the last 5 minutes straight up but the foul fest ended up working out in our favor.

53 fouls called in the Baylor-TCU game. 26 fouls called in the first half of the Kansas-Texas Tech game. It was apparently a conference-wide call from the head of Big 12 refereeing to grind the games into an unwatchable mess to try to "establish control". I hate this garbage.

 

[klamath632]

Watch the MBB Highlights vs WVU (ESPN2) on cyclones.com. 2:35 - 2:41. WVU player in-bounding the ball well before he is established out of bounds. Clearly a violation. The referee is in direct sight of the play. I hope the supervisor of officials brings this play up with the referees from tonight's game.

Is that the one after the McKay dunk? I pointed that one out in the game thread. It was egregious. I noticed it during live play, but still couldn't believe an official wouldn't notice it, so I hit the rewind button, and sure enough-- they guy made the "in-bounds pass" from about five feet in bounds.

 

[CyCy]

I have a friend who spent many years training and evaluating high school basketball referees. He has always made the statement that you can not accurately judge the job that a basketball official ref is doing in any game that you are watching, if you care who wins the game. He's probably right.

 

[JohnnyFive]

My wife (comes from a hawkeye family, but slowly converting) while watching:

"How come they (WV) can just slap our arms the whole game. Isn't that what a foul is?"

Yes dear, yes. That is the exact definition of a foul.

She used the word "our." Coming from a Hok family no less. You're doing fine work my friend.

 

[Cydkar]

The seemed so unfair and WV slanted I'm still steaming about it. I hope they never officiant 1 of our games again. They were NOT calling things the same both ways.

I'm not

 

[Gunnerclone]

Officiating didn't seem to favor one side or the other to me. Usually doesn't.

Great win.

Go Cyclones!

The officiating can not favor one side or the other and still totally suck. This is what's wrong with ref apologists, they think keeping the fouls evened up is the refs doing their job properly.

 

[twocoach]

The officiating can not favor one side or the other and still totally suck. This is what's wrong with ref apologists, they think keeping the fouls evened up is the refs doing their job properly.

Versus the ref complainers, who keep thinking that refs are going to stop sucking at some point.

 

[Clonefan94]

I guess I've always been a bit amazed how declaring yourself a physical team somehow allows you to get away with fouls.

 

[twocoach]

You will always be able to find plays that are fouls by the rulebook but that aren't called. If the refs called every foul last night then both teams would have had no players left with about five minutes left in the game. The game would dissolve into an unwatchable blob of nastiness if they called every foul so stop worrying about it. All you'll get is an ulcer. Both teams play with the same set of refs and have to make adjustments based on how those refs are calling the game. Bleep happens.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

I couldn't count how many times Goggles set moving screens that shoved Monte/Naz into the WV ballhandler, then causing fouls to be called on them. Easy calls to be made against Goggles each time, but apparently not easy for this officiating crew.

Hell, Goggles should have gotten called for offensive fouls nearly each time he touched the ball. Haven't seen that much head down bull-rush driving to the hoop since Deandre last year.

 

[IlliniCy]

Maryland and South Carolina played physical...but they also flat out shot better than we did those nights.

West Virginia was clearly worse than ISU tonight, and horrible officiating nearly flipped what should have been an obvious result.

FIFY

 

[FerShizzle]

You will always be able to find plays that are fouls by the rulebook but that aren't called. If the refs called every foul last night then both teams would have had no players left with about five minutes left in the game. The game would dissolve into an unwatchable blob of nastiness if they called every foul so stop worrying about it. All you'll get is an ulcer. Both teams play with the same set of refs and have to make adjustments based on how those refs are calling the game. Bleep happens.

Did you watch the game? Both teams play with the same set of refs but these refs had two different sets of rules.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Versus the ref complainers, who keep thinking that refs are going to stop sucking at some point.

I'm under no illusions, my agenda isn't to get a change made in officiating it's getting everyone to admit that refs flat out suck.

 

[MIClone]

I didn't remotely think any of the officials were out to get ISU like some are claiming, but it was a poorly officiated game. If they are going to allow the kids to play, then let them play. If they are going to call it tight, call it tight. But it must be consistent either way, otherwise it turns into a circus like the game we watched tonight that barely resembles the game of hoopsketball. Great win that showed moxie when it was lacking. But I'll rest easier when Janssen (or the rest of Big12 officials) isn't around.

I don't think anyone is saying there is a conspiracy, just that the refs had some sort of blinders on and sucked. As I said elsewhere, you see this sometimes when two teams have such different defensive philosophies. WVU's philosophy is to constantly be on a guy, hold him, bumping him, hand checking. Our defense relies on much less physical contact. As a result, we foul a lot less. However, within a game the refs seem to feel like the foul count should be relatively equal. There is NO WAY that ISU should ever be called for anywhere close to the same number of fouls as WVU. A guy like Monte has so much speed and body control, that he just rarely fouls. No way should Monte have fouled out last night. If Monte had five fouls, WVU should have had 8+ guys foul out.

 

[CyCloned]

There were only two things that I saw that where really aggrejest:

1. WVU would wait until an ISU player in position to get a rebound jumped, and then shove them in out of position to get the rebound. It was just so blatant, and they may have been called for it 1 out of 30 times.

2. Staten could do whatever he wanted to and would get the call. There were a lot of times he would just put his head down, his forearm out and change in like a fullback plunge. The flop at the end of the game was just laughable. I don't know if Hogue got within 2 feet of touching him.

 

[LindenCy]

Lowly Texas Tech was in the double bonus with 9 minutes left in the first half yesterday. 26 fouls called against the two teams in the first half. Ridiculous, unwatchable basketball. If they want to know how to increase scoring in college basketball they should stop calling all the pointless ticky tack fouls which do nothing but reset the shot clock and let a team burn more time standing around waiting for the next whistle. The refs are out of control with their whistles these first few games of Big 12 play. CLEARLY there has been some type of communication sent down to the Big 12 refs to call everything even remotely resembling a foul. Driving home from the KU game I was listening to the Texas game and then the OU game and they both were having the same problem. TOO MUCH.

It does help to explain some of the final scores that have been happening so far.

 

[twocoach]

I couldn't count how many times Goggles set moving screens that shoved Monte/Naz into the WV ballhandler, then causing fouls to be called on them. Easy calls to be made against Goggles each time, but apparently not easy for this officiating crew. Hell, Goggles should have gotten called for offensive fouls nearly each time he touched the ball. Haven't seen that much head down bull-rush driving to the hoop since Deandre last year.

I said the same on all accounts about Rico Gathers in the KU@Baylor game. He was shoving KU players all the ways out of bounds while going after offensive boards and was pretty much a moving screen the whole game.

 

[Die4Cy]

TV announcers will occasionally mention a bad call from time to time, but are much more apt to praise officiating across the board. Like last night, Fran was simultaneously calling the game a hack fest while praising the officiating. And it isn't just him, you hear it from most network TV commentators. I've often wondered if they are instructed to keep officiating out of the discussion during games.

 

[twocoach]

Did you watch the game? Both teams play with the same set of refs but these refs had two different sets of rules.

This is printed after almost every game that ISU plays and definitely after every game ISU plays against an aggressive defense. I only saw the second half once I got home from Lawrence. Once I saw that Georges, Hogue and Morris all had four fouls the first thing that went through my head was "If ISU loses this game their fans are going to freak out about the refs". It's a pretty consistent thing.