I've only watched the 1st qtr so far. J. Brock's TD catch from Dekkers was probably an incomplete pass that was ruled a TD. In our favor. Didn't even go to review.
Anything official happening re: fixed first half?
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Nothing is outside the realm of possibility, but if you're trying to orchestrate a fix-by-officiating, wouldn't you select less-glaring/less-noticeable calls to do it than what occurred in that game?
I see far worse targeting calls than this all the time. At least in this case, Freyler comes in and tackles with his head down. That is bad and should be what they are trying to remove from the game. Same goes for the hit on Brock. Now I would not advocate ejection at all, but guys tackling and running with the ball with their head down. It’s dangerous.
But somehow the rules have turned into this stupid version of protecting offensive players. There have been many targeting calls where a receiver catches a pass, and ducks down. What was going to be a textbook tackle becomes “forcible contact to the head and neck area.”
The rule is the worst. Horribly subjective and hugely impactful.
I thought the end zone replay clearly shows possession (no juggling or bobble), Jirehl extending the football into the endzone with one arm and the ground causing the fumble after he's in the end zone. I'm glad they didn't initially rule incomplete because I'm not confident that crew would've overturned it. I love Jirehl and how hard he's running but that's three times already this season the ball's come out at the goal line.
Yes, agree that apologists and people putting the university in front of the ethical treatment of the individuals are horrible and need to be called out. I just fear that a lot of people on this board go Baylor/Penn State Fan = automatic **** bag without putting any thought into it and I don't think that's fair.
Just call a bunch of holds, someone's always holding out there.
The goal line security issues are concerning, and the type of thing that can get you buried on a depth chart pretty quick. That said, he has been a really good back for us so far this year.
And yes, the ground did seem to cause it. So TD was the correct call. However, I am surprised that in a game where the officials were allegedly out to get us, they wouldn't have gone to the monitor and tried to screw us by overturning that.
I’m pretty sure those types of plays get called down from the booth. So if the replay guys saw him with possession and the ball over the goal line, no need to waste time reviewing it.
I think the point is if the game was fixed, that’s a review they could make with reasonable doubt.
Yeah I agree with that. The refs were not the reason we lost the game. Plain and simple. But they did provide ample opportunities for Baylor to keep drives going where they wouldn’t have if they made the correct call on the field.
Their judgement felt biased because the calls they made were so terrible that it felt like they were being made for other reasons outside of them just being poor officials. But yet again, we still had opportunities in the 2nd half to negate those bad calls and we failed to do so.
1000% chance an Iowa fan submitted that.
So you're saying, if it's a fix, it'd be simple enough to let it stand as called, just to be safe?
There was a lack of '**** this, this is ours' with how ISU looked. That was not great. Conversely, BU was very well prepared to not let it happen.
Even if ISU holds Baylor to punt or field goals on the series following the bad penalty, a big issue to me was how it's at least 3 or 4 more plays that the defense has to be on the field, which contributes to exhaustion later against a BU Oline that imo was leaning pretty well down the field much of the game as it was.
Many times if the officials blow a call, they'll make the next call the other way to try to even out the effect of the game. In this game there were about 5 straight calls that went Baylor's way (3 on us and two non-calls on them. I have a hard time attributing that to incompetence or even unconscious bias. The calls weren't even that close. On the targeting call, the helmet contacted the shoulder pad. Baylor's non-call involved the tackler in a similar position and the contact was to our guy's helmet. On the unnecessary roughness call, their receiver was in blocking position in a live ball situation. On the blocking below the waist, he hit the guy in the stomach, which in most people is above the waist.
It probably didn't cost us the game, but it was extremely frustrating for our players coaches and fans and helped set the tone for the game. We definitely should protest to the league, but I don't know that there's much else we can do. Are we allowed to ask that that crew not do any more of our games?
The touchdown they overturned was originally called wrong and rightfully corrected. That was a relatively normal screw up though. It is a hard one to officiate as the official likely is not in a very good position to see it.
For the Brock fumble there is definitely clear and indisputable evidence that has been posted here.
Biases whether intentional or unconscious are a serious problem. Iowa State has a long history of repeated one sided officiating against them. Is it as bad as some of us think it is probably not but there is not another school who has multiple cases of clear defined officiating affecting their games. That is national media members saying stuff was horrendous.
Whoever was in the booth had money on the game, you won't change my mind.
