MLB: ARod Tested Positive for Steroids in '03

[cybsball20]

I can't remember where I heard the argument, but basically they were talking about PED's being an example of athletes using technology to gain an advantage. A number of these new designer steroids are specifically designed scientific suppliments to improve the preformance but what about some of the other over the counter suppliments that are deemed ok? How do you draw the line? What about guys who get ligament replacement? Isn't that enhancing their performance? There have been high school kids who have ASKED to get Tommy John surgery because they beleived it would make them throw harder (FSU had two pitchers in the late 90's that increased there velocity post surgery). What about Lasik surgery?

 

[4429 mcc]

I can't remember where I heard the argument, but basically they were talking about PED's being an example of athletes using technology to gain an advantage. A number of these new designer steroids are specifically designed scientific suppliments to improve the preformance but what about some of the other over the counter suppliments that are deemed ok? How do you draw the line? What about guys who get ligament replacement? Isn't that enhancing their performance? There have been high school kids who have ASKED to get Tommy John surgery because they beleived it would make them throw harder (FSU had two pitchers in the late 90's that increased there velocity post surgery). What about Lasik surgery?

I get your point but you cant mask or hide surgery, supplements are the gray area.

 

[khess83]

Talent is always relevant in any sport. You have to have talent, or tens of years of dedicated practice to be the best at a sport. Drugs wont do it for you.

Quote from a site meant for teens about the use of steroids.
"However, research has not shown that steroids improve skill, agility, or athletic performance."

Are Steroids Worth the Risk?

Maybe I am misunderstanding your point...Do you believe that a professional athlete using steriods is cheating?

 

[GeronimusClone]

Alex Rodriguez tested positive for steroids in '03, sources tell SI - MLB - SI.com

Add another name to the list of users. Can't say I'm surprised.

Feel good story of the year.

 

[cybsball20]

I get your point but you cant mask or hide surgery, supplements are the gray area.

I guess the one that this person was bringing up most was the Lasik. It's a scientific procedure that gives someone a clear advantage... Most of the new designer steroids aren't known to have the negative side effects or as damaging to the health as they once were...

 

[kmcbrid]

Maybe I am misunderstanding your point...Do you believe that a professional athlete using steriods is cheating?

Yes, I do believe it is cheating, but I don't think it has as great of effect as some people think it does. In certain sports where strength is more of an issue, I would think steroids would help more. Not that you don't need strength in baseball, but you do not need to be a home run hitter to be a great player.

 

[khess83]

Yes, I do believe it is cheating, but I don't think it has as great of effect as some people think it does. In certain sports where strength is more of an issue, I would think steroids would help more. Not that you don't need strength in baseball, but you do not need to be a home run hitter to be a great player.

I know that most players (non pitching staff) don't exactly exert a lot of energy day in and out during the season. But 162 games, excluding post season, is tiring and this is where steroids makes a big difference in baseball. In the "Game of Shadows" it is brought up that players were able to lift, do extra workouts and still feel energized when on the drugs. That is why I think it is a big deal in baseball.

 

[cybsball20]

I know that most players (non pitching staff) don't exactly exert a lot of energy day in and out during the season. But 162 games, excluding post season, is tiring and this is where steroids makes a big difference in baseball. In the "Game of Shadows" it is brought up that players were able to lift, do extra workouts and still feel energized when on the drugs. That is why I think it is a big deal in baseball.

Players still lift and workout every day during the season, even without PED's but most will taper it down in September.

 

[4429 mcc]

Brad Asmus on espn radio-Doug Gotlieb show...Doug asked him (shooting from the hip here)

Q: did you take PED's
A: if I did I wouldnt tell you (no answer)

Is this the guy who if he does/doesnt take PED's is he in the bigs for as long as he has been? .251 lifetime BA if you look at his stats lets just say he dips under 100 hits a year (which he had from '97-'06) odds are he's not in the bigs for as long as he has been.

Everyone is suspect now.

 

[mplscyclone]

Brad Asmus on espn radio-Doug Gotlieb show...Doug asked him (shooting from the hip here)

Q: did you take PED's
A: if I did I wouldnt tell you (no answer)

Is this the guy who if he does/doesnt take PED's is he in the bigs for as long as he has been? .251 lifetime BA if you look at his stats lets just say he dips under 100 hits a year (which he had from '97-'06) odds are he's not in the bigs for as long as he has been.

Everyone is suspect now.

Everyone is suspect, yet some guys suck in the bigs and other guys are great in the bigs.

The best players would still be the best players in the league regardless.

Too many of you are overlooking the fact that pitchers take these as well and more pitchers have been caught and suspended than hitters. It goes both ways...

 

[NewCoke]

I really could care less at this point. Steroids need to be driven from the game and MLB and the players union need to be fervent in there testing, and slowly (as all change in baseball is) that is happening. But in the late 80's and 90's and early 00's it was pervasive, everyone did it, if they did not good for them but no one would surprise me anymore. That said I could cares less who did or did not do it at this point. It happened, fix it, move on. Lets talk about games and teams who will win the AL central? (Indians) Who wil win the AL East? (sadly Yankees). That sort of thing. I am just tired of hearing about steroids in baseball.

The real winner in the A-Rod steroid news story. . . Michael Phelps.

 

[cyclonenum1]

I'm worried that Pujols will be one of the guys that has tested positive. That would really be the game killer. The best player in baseball. I also think we haven't seen the worse.

Obviously, I don't know anything for certain but I do know some guys that have played in the Majors and they told me that a lot of the kids in the DR (where Pujols is from) start taking steroids (usually meant for animals) at very early ages. One of the big litmus tests has been seeing a change in body composition (Bonds bulking up for example). But if a guy like Pujols is on them at 12 or 13 then you would likely not see that change.

I am at the point where I assume they ALL are on the juice. Frankly, I think that it would be best for MLB and for the clean players that are out there (there have to be some...don't there?) to make all past testing results public and to demand mandatory testing of all players on a regular basis going forward with results being made public.

 

[cyclonenum1]

I wonder how long the NFL will be able to keep everything hush hush untill the windfall starts there too...

The NFL was where this stuff was pioneered in team sports...Lyle Alzado anyone?!

Having said that, I don't think fans of FB care as much about this stuff as fans of baseball do. FB is a warrior type sport with toughness and brutality being honored. Baseball is a numbers game...a sport with no contact...a sport where the purist wants to be able to compare numbers...which is tough to do when people are cheating.

There have been a bunch of guys that have been caught in the NFL...Shawne Merriman, Rodney Harrison, etc. and it barely makes news. However, in MLB it is a front page story every time someone is nabbed.

 

[cybsball20]

Obviously, I don't know anything for certain but I do know some guys that have played in the Majors and they told me that a lot of the kids in the DR (where Pujols is from) start taking steroids (usually meant for animals) at very early ages. One of the big litmus tests has been seeing a change in body composition (Bonds bulking up for example). But if a guy like Pujols is on them at 12 or 13 then you would likely not see that change.

I am at the point where I assume they ALL are on the juice. Frankly, I think that it would be best for MLB and for the clean players that are out there (there have to be some...don't there?) to make all past testing results public and to demand mandatory testing of all players on a regular basis going forward with results being made public.

Pujols hasn't been in the DR since like middle school has he? I know he went to High School and played Juco in the Kansas City area. If anything he started juicing in Junior College. The whole Maple Woods CC program has had a steroid reputation for a while now...

 

[cyclonenum1]

Pujols hasn't been in the DR since like middle school has he? I know he went to High School and played Juco in the Kansas City area. If anything he started juicing in Junior College. The whole Maple Woods CC program has had a steroid reputation for a while now...

12 or 13 is middle school age. As I said, I just heard it from someone who might know. One thing is certain...these kids in the DR want to get off that island in the worst way and most see baseball as the only option to do that...which is why they have such a large number of MLB players from such a small country.

 

[cybsball20]

12 or 13 is middle school age. As I said, I just heard it from someone who might know. One thing is certain...these kids in the DR want to get off that island in the worst way and most see baseball as the only option to do that...which is why they have such a large number of MLB players from such a small country.

Having seen alot of those 16-17-18 year old dominicans play, I don't think they are really or were really shooting anything untill they got a little older. One common thought is there are some language barriers with the union and the young dominican players and they really don't know what they are putting in their bodies. A number of these kids never make it past AA, making little over $1000 a month, sending almost all of it back home. The guys don't even eat out, they bring crock pots with them everywhere they go and eat nothing but chicken, beans and rice...

 

[cyclonenum1]

Did anyone read / see the quote from Astros pitcher Roy Oswalt regarding A-Rod? Man, he sounds like he is just slightly irritated...he says that the numbers of anyone caught or admitting to use should not count. I would love to see the clean guys in the game force their own union to out all of this stuff.

 

[Cloner97]

It's also rumored that he tested positive for a yeast infection back in 2003 too.

 

[mwitt]

Did anyone read / see the quote from Astros pitcher Roy Oswalt regarding A-Rod? Man, he sounds like he is just slightly irritated...he says that the numbers of anyone caught or admitting to use should not count. I would love to see the clean guys in the game force their own union to out all of this stuff.

Yes. I'm guessing him and teammate Miguel Tejada aren't best friends.

 

[ISUFan22]

So Bud gets on A-Rod for embarrassing the sport, but all this blew up under his watch and baseball turned a blind eye to it, again, under his watch.

IMO, Selig is trying to "clean things up" way too late. Sort of like a child writing in crayon on the wall, getting busted for it and then saying "I'm sorry, don't punish me, I'll fix it eventually".

Meh...