Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

TheHelgo

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Sounds good...Do you have a plan for that?

yeah, learn how to connect with your players and understand when there may be a problem - rather than act all confused when a player has finally had enough BS and walks.
 

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Isn't it part of a coach's job to make the players into a team?
 

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I think it begins to turn around next year. Call me a Kool-Aid drinker, homer, whatever. In the beginning, I do think GMAC made some recruiting mistakes. But I really feel the WJ thing spooked him, and he got away from what made him successful. He became afraid to hold people accountable to a certain extent. CB and sometimes MG were coddled, and that spread to the whole team. Everyone deferred to them, because the coach did. With them gone, I think GMAC will return to what he knows.

Next year, DG will be a much better player, the unquestioned leader of the team. Gain some strength so he can finish better. A healthy Scotty and JVB brings some outside shooting, Phillips and Colvin can slash. We may not win more games, but I guarantee we will be more fun to watch and will surprise some people.
 

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JP's path is to have a program built with a solid foundation of good student-athletes who want to be at isu and this will eventually lead to success. But we are in an era where it is becoming about which group of people or businesses want to buy success. Those with the money can do this. We don't have that. So we are taking the other path. But the problem is that we then have to be OK with mediocre seasons and hope eventually it happens. In the meantime, sell the crap out of football.
 

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hahahahaha - seriously? I am stating a BELIEF! I am not claiming to state a FACT. I don't think evidence is needed for a BELIEF. But, my belief is based on turnover and player attitude. If McD had his heart in this job, he would know what was going on with his players. Every time there is a defection, he throws his hands up in the air and claims he had no idea. Seriously Mac - you had no idea?? Do you not care enough about the kids in your program to know if there is a problem? Also, now we are hearing about player jealousy/favourtism/etc. Wouldn't a coach who was emotionally invested in a program make sure the atmosphere surrounding his program was a positive one? Didn't seem to have these 'issues' at UNI, did he?? Perhaps that is because he cared enough to make sure these issues were resolved/dealt with before becoming a problem.....

Well I like to be able to point to something to support my belief. I don't think it's heart. I think it is the fact that he doesn't know how to deal with players at this ego level. Ham is the exception to this. He doesn't seem to have that ego. He was a shock. I honestly think he could be an honest transfer who was homesick, but there is other stuff floating around as a cause so I am not sure. This all started with Wesley, IMO. I think after that Mac turned into a guy who would treat the stars special and a guy like Ham who was coachable and probably could take the hard stuff became alienated because of this. I think he possibly could have felt he was being criticized too much while CB and MG were playing undisciplined and others were showing a lack of commitment to the team. Had the team given up on the season when they could have, I may have more belief in the fact that his heart wasn't in it but the team played too hard when all was lost to be directed by a coach, who, himself did not have his heart in it.
 

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I consider that pretty serious accusation to be throwing around with no evidence to back it up.


I agree with you here, but I also think it's irresponsible for Keeler to maintain that Lickliter's "heart never left Butler" without any evidence. Really a stretch for Keeler to assume that based on a phone call from Lick defending Butler...
 

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I agree with you here, but I also think it's irresponsible for Keeler to maintain that Lickliter's "heart never left Butler" without any evidence. Really a stretch for Keeler to assume that based on a phone call from Lick defending Butler...

And I agree with that as well. I see no harm in someone standing up for a place that made them what they are. I think it is pretty hard to conclude that he didn't care about Iowa because he stood up for Butler.

As far as these things go saying someone isn't trying or their heart isn't in it is probably the most serious of accusations, at least to me.
 

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Well I like to be able to point to something to support my belief. I don't think it's heart. I think it is the fact that he doesn't know how to deal with players at this ego level. Ham is the exception to this. He doesn't seem to have that ego. He was a shock. I honestly think he could be an honest transfer who was homesick, but there is other stuff floating around as a cause so I am not sure. This all started with Wesley, IMO. I think after that Mac turned into a guy who would treat the stars special and a guy like Ham who was coachable and probably could take the hard stuff became alienated because of this. I think he possibly could have felt he was being criticized too much while CB and MG were playing undisciplined and others were showing a lack of commitment to the team. Had the team given up on the season when they could have, I may have more belief in the fact that his heart wasn't in it but the team played too hard when all was lost to be directed by a coach, who, himself did not have his heart in it.

points well taken. regardless of whether the heart is there or not, it appears that we agree that McD has a fundamental problem in relating to players. Maybe 4 years on the job and this latest defection has taught him something and things will be different going forward. I am really starting to doubt that things will be different though, simply because if McD didn't learn from player defections before Ham, why would he now?
 

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Coach has said that; he is what he is, and that is not gonna change. Is he saying that to the fans, or is he trying to convince himself of that? It seems to me that he hasn't done the same things at ISU that he did in his other coaching jobs.
Some may think he needed to do change because he is in the "big time" now. I think if he stuck with what he knows then he would be very successful at ISU. At his other jobs, he brought in student-athletes to the school and built a program layer by layer. It seems to me that at ISU he has been trying get rich quick schemes to find success. It all started with the very first class he brought in. Jucos and projects and reaches for maybes and what ifs has only brought a viscious circle of egos and chemistry problems. Which leads to a lack of leadership and teamwork, and losses on gameday, and players leaving the program, and starting over every year.

I am just a fan, with no information other than what I get from the media. I could be completely wrong. But, my perception of the situation is that Coach needs to stop looking for a band-aid big enough to cover the wound, and start the healing process with four-year student athletes. Maybe every once in a while, a guy turns out to be really good and "goes pro" before his graduation from ISU. That would be fine. Maybe now and then you stumble across a solid guy who can transfer and fit into a role on the team. That is fine. Right now I don't see any progress being made toward a goal. I don't even know, from year to year, what direction the MBB program is headed in.
Each year it seems like coach buys a bunch of lottery tickets and sits there hoping one of them hits the jackpot. How many projects can one coach have? It seems like ISU is just a bunch of projects, instead of student-athletes who form a team and represent their school.
 

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Excellent question...I don't have a definite answer for you. What I can tell you is that is not just ISU. The name on the jersey doesn't mean anything. I've talked to several people about this...Starting to spread to mid-major level also.

Nothing personal...I give what I can.

Ha...nothing personal?!?

That's the problem with you and your small cabal of hardcore GM supporters on this site...it is all too personal for you. As friends and family it has to be.

Unfortunately, for you and for GM, most on this site are alums and fans of ISU and we are fed up with our MBB program being in the toilet. For us it is not personal relative to GM.
 
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The McD supporters have gone from "he can totally win" to "don't question his heart and he is a good man"
They are quite now unless somebody calls out his character, then they are like a pack of wild dogs...
Pretty funny if you ask me.
 
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