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Primetime26

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This was kicked off by the theoretical staff that was posted a page or two ago. I already said I wouldn't be thrilled by Metcalf but I don't care all that much. But both Ramos and Metcalf isn't something I'd have any interest in.

Right. Thats fine, thats why were both on here. To talk about it. So.. for fun and since you ignored it, what theoretical staff would you like?

Ideally for me.. Dresser, Zadick-AHC, Reader,-AC, DSJ-VA, Paulsons-ROTC
 
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Right. Thats fine, thats why were both on here. To talk about it. So.. for fun and since you ignored it, what theoretical staff would you like?

Ideally for me.. Dresser, Zadick-AHC, Reader,-AC, DSJ-VA, Paulsons-ROTC

I'd love to get Reader but I wonder if we'd be able to get him away from SDSU even if we tried. Seems pretty happy there.
 

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Run a clean program, recruit with the best, have success, and represent the program and university with class. That's all I ask. We have an opportunity for a fresh start let's run with it. Hire anybody that is a proven winner and let's see how it goes.
 

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I'm glad we got St. John on board already though because this is a big recruiting weekend with events in multiple places so that would be tough to cover with only one coach.
 

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All this talk about Brands not running a "classy" program is asinine. I get that you all don't like Gilman but name a wrestler on this year's roster that didn't conduct himself with "class." I'll wait.

Did you actually see the interviews after their big losses? Here's Metcalf right after his loss to Caldwell...answers all questions and talks about why he failed:

http://www.flowrestling.org/video/163840-metcalf-after-loss-in-the-finals#.WN6LLBIrJE4

Here is Gilman right after his dream of a NCAA title is crushed but comes back to win third:

 

NEICyFan

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I'll be disappointed if he brings in Ramos. Not the culture I'd like to see him build. Wouldn't be thrilled with Metcalf either but Metcalf has reportedly mellowed as he got older so I'd be somewhat willing on that one.

I don't care if he hires all Hawks, but I do care if he hires mini Brands guys. That's not the type of leader I'd want in the room.

I have met Brent Metcalf several times. He's a very nice, friendly, humble guy. Very confused here.
 

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All this talk about Brands not running a "classy" program is asinine. I get that you all don't like Gilman but name a wrestler on this year's roster that didn't conduct himself with "class." I'll wait.

Did you actually see the interviews after their big losses? Here's Metcalf right after his loss to Caldwell...answers all questions and talks about why he failed:

http://www.flowrestling.org/video/163840-metcalf-after-loss-in-the-finals#.WN6LLBIrJE4

Here is Gilman right after his dream of a NCAA title is crushed but comes back to win third:



Now post the one he gave before that match.
 
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ca4cy

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I'd love to get Reader but I wonder if we'd be able to get him away from SDSU even if we tried. Seems pretty happy there.

Going off on a bit of a tangent from here, but do we know if the assistant $ pool was beefed up along with the head coach's? I'm sure money is far from the only consideration for Reader or anybody else but did we have the cash to aggressively pursue assistants from other programs if that's the route Dresser wanted to go?
 

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Going off on a bit of a tangent from here, but do we know if the assistant $ pool was beefed up along with the head coach's? I'm sure money is far from the only consideration for Reader or anybody else but did we have the cash to aggressively pursue assistants from other programs if that's the route Dresser wanted to go?

I'm operating under the assumption Pollard had to convince Dresser he'd do more than just give him a bigger paycheck but increase support overall.

St. John isn't the volunteer, right? So the open spots are head assistant and volunteer. I don't see Reader taking the volunteer spot since that would be a step down and it sounds like the head assistant spot has a different name penciled in.
 

NEICyFan

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A change to a almost exclusively being coached by a bunch of guys that lost when the lights were brightest and went and cried about it afterword? Pass.

Both Metcalf and Ramos were NCAA champs as seniors. Those are pretty bright lights. The guy we hired so far won it as a junior and placed like 6th as a senior but yet you're OK with him.

That said, I think Ramos is a whiny ***** and don't want him either. He does hate Brands though so that endears him to some people. Haha
 
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Clone83

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I didn't know Dana College had closed. That's where former Cyclone Willie Parks landed and (I believe) he was an NAIA champion.

Yeah, it was a little bizarre. I think they had a college from Japan all lined up to buy it, for it to be their U.S. campus, and then right at the last minute, the foreign school decided not too and it was closed not long after. It was a shock to the people there. It was there a long time. It was a decent school. I know quite a few teachers who went there. One of my student-teachers in high school (ancient history I know), for example, was Steve Daeges who I saw many years later, in the news, coached a long time at Harlan and was inducted into the Iowa HS Baseball Hall of Fame. One of his sons was having a great career in the minors, but checking just now, I see that a couple of weeks into AAA, they discovered he had a rare bone condition in his ankle, which effectively ended his career.

It wasn't just Willie Parks, though he was probably the best on the team. But I think the whole Dana program was pretty good at that time. I saw they were always at national duals.

In earlier years, I think their coach was an alum and a volunteer, and a high school teacher professionally. He was also a graduate of nearby Omaha North, not the best part of town but historically one of the better wrestling high schools in Nebraska. The Dana student body and team would have been more small town, perhaps like Midland, with some likely attracted to the religious affiliation, smaller campus and extracurricular opportunities.

From what he has posted before, I think Paul Clark of Cyclone Report used to live in or near Blair.
 
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I would think St John is 2nd Asst.

I really don't think Reader is an option. Not that I wouldn't want him, but maybe Dresser doesn't know enough about him or just has other options (Zadick)
 
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My understanding is ISU assistance will be some of the highest paid assistants in college wrestling. Also, there will only be four coaches besides a potential grad assistant.

Head: Desser
Top Asst: Zadick (if he accepts)
Asst: St. John
Vol Asst: Looking at Metcalf (Main CROTC coach but all coaches will be involved with the CROTC)

I really don't think Ramos is in the equation. Have not heard his name except on this board.

You don't need a heavyweight coach. Look at Va Tech staff (Robie was largest coach) and they didn't seem to have a problem having quality upper weight wrestlers. Look at OSU with Chris Perry is the heaviest coach. This is why it is critical to have good upper weights in your ROTC which ISU has with Bradley and Gadson..
 
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My understanding is the vol. coach will also be the ROTC coach. Gadson is still training tor the Olympics so he will not be a coach and no Walz makes no sense if Dresser is able to keep Gadson and Bradley. Dance makes a ton of sense and would be a great addition for the CROTC.
I'd much rather have Walz than Bradley here IF you have to choose. IF they all have great attitudes and are hard workers why not try to bring all 3 guys in? JMO
 

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Tuition from the athletes. According to their website tuition is $31k a year. I count 35 guys on their roster. That's a million a year in tuition minus whatever aid they are getting. And the cost of a lower level coach and some mats isn't all that much, probably costs them less than a quarter of that to field the team for a year. And their marginal cost to educate those 35 guys is a lot less than the remaining $750k.
There's a few students there that aren't on scholarship and the athletes that are aren't all on full rides. Myself and a lot of My teammates when we were there were all on scholarship but still had to pay a good amount for tuition
 
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csteve

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My understanding is ISU assistance will be some of the highest paid assistants in college wrestling. Also, there will only be four coaches besides a potential grad assistant.

Head: Desser
Top Asst: Zadick (if he accepts)
Asst: St. John
Vol Asst: Looking at Metcalf (Main CROTC coach but all coaches will be involved with the CROTC)

I really don't think Ramos is in the equation. Have not heard his name except on this board.

You don't need a heavyweight coach. Look at Va Tech staff (Robie was largest coach) and they didn't seem to have a problem having quality upper weight wrestlers. Look at OSU with Chris Perry is the heaviest coach. This is why it is critical to have good upper weights in your ROTC which ISU has with Bradley and Gadson..
I don't know if those are the heaviest post college workout partners available to Okie St. and Virginia Tech wrestlers or not. Perry probably weighs in the 80's or 90's since he wrestled 174. I would think you can consider him somewhat of an upper weight coach. Not a heavy, but can surely cover everyone above 157. Robie's days of weighing in the 150's are over as well. Not sure if he weighs in the 80's, but wouldn't doubt it. I'm sure he was wrestling with most the middle/upper weights.
My upper weight coach helped me a ton when we used to wrestle. It's one thing to coach from the side, but another to coach while you are wrestling someone. Feeling their reactions, weight shift, etc. is something almost impossible to do from the sideline. Not that it can't be done, but I think there is a better opportunity to succeed when there is a coach to wrestle with.
Just ask Kyle Snyder why he thinks he is getting better and better.
 
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