What in the hell are you talking about?
VCU wasn't a high major.
AND WE COULDNT ******* GET SHAKA. FRED LEFT TOO LATE.
Bad day for the Steven can coach crowd.
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What in the hell are you talking about?
VCU wasn't a high major.
AND WE COULDNT ******* GET SHAKA. FRED LEFT TOO LATE.
He had a great year in 11-12 but he was never without an NBA point guard and made the tournament one time. Now you could argue they maybe should have his last year too, but he missed the tournament solidly two of those years with the easiest job in that conference and NBA point guards.
The point is he wasn't killing it at Murray State like some think.
There are a ton of positives. We shot horribly last night and had a chance to win because of our defense. When we actually ran the offense properly, we looked good. The problem is that they get into hero mode and want to hit the big 3 to tie the game. If we would have just kept running the offense, we would've won the game.
More top 20ish, which is where they stayed.
Take Niang and Nader and McKay off of last year's team, and it's not very good.
That's essentially what we're looking at now.
No idea what to think of Prohm but thinking last year's squad was actually Top Ten is hawkdom at its finest.
John Calapari and Kentucky went to the NIT and lost in the first round to Robert Morris the year after they won a national championship. It's amazing he still has a job!
I don't know a single Cyclone fan that thought this years team was going to be better. Every single coach in america will tell you that depth is not overrated but go on.
Solomon Young is his guy. Simeon Carter is his guy. Fred never even coached Burton in a game. Jakolby Long is his guy.
If you want to say that "deep down" many of the Hoiberg holders don't respect him as much as Fred. But the "need to get his guys in here" argument doesn't hold water. The only people on this roster that Fred even coached were Thomas, Morris and Long. By all reports those are three of the hardest workers we have.
What was Prohm's record again at Murray state?
What high major did Shaka excel at? What school in the Big12, ACC, PAC12, Big 10, SEC, did he excel at?
The guy took a preseason top 20 team and they are currently below .500. And yet you guys defend his record and rip your own coach, that is some pretty interesting thing thinking there fella's.
2011–12 Murray State 31–2 15–1 1st NCAA Round of 32
2012–13 Murray State 21–10 10–6 1st (West)
2013–14 Murray State 23–11 13–3 1st (West) CIT Champions
2014–15 Murray State 29–6 16–0 1st (West) NIT Quarterfinals
?? His conference record seems legit to me. Overall record doesnt seem awful either. I would also guess other than Payne and Canaan, Murray State doesnt get a lot of top tier talent. Looks like a very admirable coaching job.
And if we went to a final four in Prohm's first year then the discussion would be different. That and Calipiari is an elite coach with a history of Final four appearances at multiple schools.
We had a good starting 5 and that's it. Depth was always going to be questionable but once Naz was done we were in big trouble. Don't let hype and preseason rankings jade reality.
Believe me, there were plenty of people on here saying we would be better this year because Prohm would actually have a full roster to work with. The common theme last year was we were underachieving because of lack of depth.
They also said we would be able to rest guys like Morris and Thomas alot more this year with Jackson coming in. That hasnt happened yet and now Im reading comments like guys are gassed again from playing 35 minutes.
Now this year its because of no post players. Next year while we are fighting for the 8th seed in the Big 12 tourney the excuse will be "youth".
Kind of how Fred topped out at the Sweet 16 and had plenty of erratic play from his teams.
He wasn't killing it at ISU like some people think.
He also has a history of cheating to get the players that lead to those schools going to the Final Four. But disregard that little detail in order to make your point.
Also went to the National Title game with a what, 8 seed? with a bunch of freshman that took the entire season to gel.
He also lost to slow, boring Badger ball with an undefeated team literally full of NBA players.
And I heard that BILL SELF recently lost to a marginal ISU team at home. Anything can happen, amirite?
The core of the team are not his guys. Burton may not have played for Fred, but he is lumped in with Monte, Naz, and Matt. They all have the same mentality. It's not all bad but I believe we will be more consistent with guys that fully buy into the system. Play tough defense all of the time, trust each other, and run good sets more often. This current group just thinks they can turn it on or off whenever they feel like it. And sometimes it works, but sometimes you lose to dog crap teams like Texas.
Not like those two were highly recruited either:
Payne: https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/43137
Canaan: https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/52161
So a handful of posters on Cyclonefanatic is a complete representation of our expectations. Got it!
Right. The question becomes, is that a coaching issue, or player issue? Is Prohm not getting them in the right sets, or not correctly scouting in order to formulate a gamelan? Or do the players take it upon themselves to do what they think will work within the flow of the game?
I'm not sure any of us fans can answer it correctly. I'm certain there's some here that think they know the right answer, but they don't.
