Baseball at ISU?

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As much I’d love to have baseball… no, just no. This seems out of touch with the current environment and smells more like hawks in the house trying to saddle ISU with more expenses we can’t afford.
More like a former D3 player and high school coach looking for a way for his players to keep playing ball.
 

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It still disappoints me to this day that ISU dropped baseball. This is just an opinion and I don't have numbers to back this up but I have to think that baseball is the most participated in sport in Iowa. With 8 man football more small schools are able to field teams now that didn't before but I think most if not all have baseball. It'd be nice to bring it back to ISU but not sure how feasible it would be with today's environment with NIL and how tight budgets are let alone the Title IX law.
 

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It still disappoints me to this day that ISU dropped baseball. This is just an opinion and I don't have numbers to back this up but I have to think that baseball is the most participated in sport in Iowa. With 8 man football more small schools are able to field teams now that didn't before but I think most if not all have baseball. It'd be nice to bring it back to ISU but not sure how feasible it would be with today's environment with NIL and how tight budgets are let alone the Title IX law.
Now you’ve done it.
 
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It still disappoints me to this day that ISU dropped baseball. This is just an opinion and I don't have numbers to back this up but I have to think that baseball is the most participated in sport in Iowa. With 8 man football more small schools are able to field teams now that didn't before but I think most if not all have baseball. It'd be nice to bring it back to ISU but not sure how feasible it would be with today's environment with NIL and how tight budgets are let alone the Title IX law.
Baseball is an expensive money suck for any university outside of a handful of schools in the southeast. I love baseball, could sit and watch a lot of it but getting rid of it was the right decision unless you want to dump millions into supporting it. Cap Timm needed a bunch of renovations to be on par with a high school field.
 

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Baseball is an expensive money suck for any university outside of a handful of schools in the southeast. I love baseball, could sit and watch a lot of it but getting rid of it was the right decision unless you want to dump millions into supporting it. Cap Timm needed a bunch of renovations to be on par with a high school field.
And the deck is stacked against any team in the upper midwest without access to an indoor BB stadium. So much of the season is played in "winter" in this part of the world. Baseball season starts 14 FEB. The Big 12 Tourney starts 21 MAY so by they time it is getting nice in Iowa the season is pretty much over.

Yes, there are successful teams in the Big 10, but historically pretty much all of the Big 10 faces the same issue so there isn't a huge disadvantage to just a few teams in the conference. It's not a coincidence that for the most part the national champions every year come from warm weather schools.

Did you know that in 1998 USC beat Arizona State for the championship by the football score of 21-14?
 
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Baseball is an expensive money suck for any university outside of a handful of schools in the southeast. I love baseball, could sit and watch a lot of it but getting rid of it was the right decision unless you want to dump millions into supporting it. Cap Timm needed a bunch of renovations to be on par with a high school field.
Well said.
 

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And the deck is stacked against any team in the upper midwest without access to an indoor BB stadium. So much of the season is played in "winter" in this part of the world. Baseball season starts 14 FEB. The Big 12 Tourney starts 21 MAY so by they time it is getting nice in Iowa the season is pretty much over.

Yes, there are successful teams in the Big 10, but historically pretty much all of the Big 10 faces the same issue so there isn't a huge disadvantage to just a few teams in the conference. It's not a coincidence that for the most part the national champions every year come from warm weather schools.

Did you know that in 1998 USC beat Arizona State for the championship by the football score of 21-14?
You don't have to got that far, but you have to have good indoor practice facilities, which honestly a lot of Iowa high schools and private club teams now have, where few did when ISU still had baseball. That still means totally front loaded, and probably overall heavily loaded road games, but nowadays there's so much more development that happens in indoor facilities, even in the south, that the weather disadvantage isn't so big.

Still, it's a big money loser almost everywhere. Now, if I got stupidly rich, I would happily dump a ton of money to build a nice little stadium, state of the art indoor facilities for ISU baseball, and NIL for players. But that's about what it would take for ISU to get baseball back.
 
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It still disappoints me to this day that ISU dropped baseball. This is just an opinion and I don't have numbers to back this up but I have to think that baseball is the most participated in sport in Iowa. With 8 man football more small schools are able to field teams now that didn't before but I think most if not all have baseball. It'd be nice to bring it back to ISU but not sure how feasible it would be with today's environment with NIL and how tight budgets are let alone the Title IX law.

According to the 2023-2024 NFHS participation survey, football is way ahead of baseball. Basketball closely behind baseball for third.

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Track and Field is actually second most participated sport followed by baseball and basketball.
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According to the 2023-2024 NFHS participation survey, football is way ahead of baseball. Basketball closely behind baseball for third.
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Baseball has definitely seen a resurgence in Iowa, at least in Central Iowa. Anecdotally what seems to really drag overall participation numbers down vs football is attrition. A lot of the large schools have a huge number of 8th graders and Fr out for baseball, but those classes thin out a lot by the time they are Srs.

My observation has been that in football if a guy sticks with it and works hard in the weight room and other training sessions there’s probably a role for him as a Sr. In baseball there are lots of guys that are behind people in their grade or below on the depth chart and see the writing g on the wall. Plus baseball at the varsity level is pretty all consuming of your time May - mid-July, so it’s tough to work or do much else. Football is a big commitment, but it’s a little more spread out and less intrusive in the summer.

I think at Ames we have had 30 plus freshmen, only to have senior classes in the single digits in baseball. In football there might also be 30 ish Fr but 20-25 stay out for four years.
 

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Baseball has definitely seen a resurgence in Iowa, at least in Central Iowa. Anecdotally what seems to really drag overall participation numbers down vs football is attrition. A lot of the large schools have a huge number of 8th graders and Fr out for baseball, but those classes thin out a lot by the time they are Srs.

My observation has been that in football if a guy sticks with it and works hard in the weight room and other training sessions there’s probably a role for him as a Sr. In baseball there are lots of guys that are behind people in their grade or below on the depth chart and see the writing g on the wall. Plus baseball at the varsity level is pretty all consuming of your time May - mid-July, so it’s tough to work or do much else. Football is a big commitment, but it’s a little more spread out and less intrusive in the summer.

I think at Ames we have had 30 plus freshmen, only to have senior classes in the single digits in baseball. In football there might also be 30 ish Fr but 20-25 stay out for four years.
Makes the gap between football and baseball even wider when you consider baseball has 5 grades and football 4 that can participate.
 

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Baseball has definitely seen a resurgence in Iowa, at least in Central Iowa. Anecdotally what seems to really drag overall participation numbers down vs football is attrition. A lot of the large schools have a huge number of 8th graders and Fr out for baseball, but those classes thin out a lot by the time they are Srs.

My observation has been that in football if a guy sticks with it and works hard in the weight room and other training sessions there’s probably a role for him as a Sr. In baseball there are lots of guys that are behind people in their grade or below on the depth chart and see the writing g on the wall. Plus baseball at the varsity level is pretty all consuming of your time May - mid-July, so it’s tough to work or do much else. Football is a big commitment, but it’s a little more spread out and less intrusive in the summer.

I think at Ames we have had 30 plus freshmen, only to have senior classes in the single digits in baseball. In football there might also be 30 ish Fr but 20-25 stay out for four years.
That's because you just can't play unless you are 200% committed to the sport and nothing else. You can't just "be on the team" and play some JV and maybe get in for some scrub time. Lots of times kids get told "if you aren't on the year round travel team, then you're not serious and you won't play". Or similar. So kids just give it up.

Not just baseball, its most hs sports now, particularly at bigger schools. Gone of the days of kids just playing for fun.
 

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Baseball has definitely seen a resurgence in Iowa, at least in Central Iowa. Anecdotally what seems to really drag overall participation numbers down vs football is attrition. A lot of the large schools have a huge number of 8th graders and Fr out for baseball, but those classes thin out a lot by the time they are Srs.

My observation has been that in football if a guy sticks with it and works hard in the weight room and other training sessions there’s probably a role for him as a Sr. In baseball there are lots of guys that are behind people in their grade or below on the depth chart and see the writing g on the wall. Plus baseball at the varsity level is pretty all consuming of your time May - mid-July, so it’s tough to work or do much else. Football is a big commitment, but it’s a little more spread out and less intrusive in the summer.

I think at Ames we have had 30 plus freshmen, only to have senior classes in the single digits in baseball. In football there might also be 30 ish Fr but 20-25 stay out for four years.
As a former baseball parent there's a lot of issues with high school baseball in Iowa. From what I've seen (and talking with parents at other schools) for some reason it's become super political on who plays and who doesn't. Part of that I think is because you need a kid who's all in and playing basically year round to sort of be good, especially with the big schools. The kids that do that have parents that can swing a checkbook. The other big thing I've seen is it's such a time suck in the summer where a kid could be hanging out at the pool or working a summer job, baseball makes it so you can't actually do that because of when it is. We had a pretty big senior class this year, started with 6 and finished with 5. My kid made it 3 weeks and decided that if they were only going to let up pitch despite only 2 kids being able to hit over .250 he wasn't going to waste his last summer at home to play 5 innings a week at most. Lots of kids have to make that decision eventually and no matter how much money mom and dad spent on super duper elite travel teams only 9 play at once.

It would be nice if you could start the season a couple weeks earlier, get games started by May 1st and get the state tournament over and done with before July 4th. Give those kids (especially the football kids) the month of July off to have some semblance of a summer break.
 

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As a former baseball parent there's a lot of issues with high school baseball in Iowa. From what I've seen (and talking with parents at other schools) for some reason it's become super political on who plays and who doesn't. Part of that I think is because you need a kid who's all in and playing basically year round to sort of be good, especially with the big schools. The kids that do that have parents that can swing a checkbook. The other big thing I've seen is it's such a time suck in the summer where a kid could be hanging out at the pool or working a summer job, baseball makes it so you can't actually do that because of when it is. We had a pretty big senior class this year, started with 6 and finished with 5. My kid made it 3 weeks and decided that if they were only going to let up pitch despite only 2 kids being able to hit over .250 he wasn't going to waste his last summer at home to play 5 innings a week at most. Lots of kids have to make that decision eventually and no matter how much money mom and dad spent on super duper elite travel teams only 9 play at once.

It would be nice if you could start the season a couple weeks earlier, get games started by May 1st and get the state tournament over and done with before July 4th. Give those kids (especially the football kids) the month of July off to have some semblance of a summer break.
My kid made kind of the same decision. He will be a senior and chose not to go out this summer. Last year the coach made it clear that if you played AAU, you played no matter what. 3 8th graders that played AAU were coming up and the coach made it known that they would play.

Son figured it wouldnt be fun to just pitch once a week and nothing else. He was either first or second last year in Ks and innings pitched, was even the opening game pitcher, but decided to say screw it and make money.