BCS - Need a playoff

Clone5

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In my opinion you would have to somehow eliminate rankings during the season. Not possible as anyone can list a 'rankings'.

When 1 loss makes the difference on the season, dont you have to wait until the final games are played?

Plus with the playoff, look at the huge disadvantage teams with a Conf title game are at.
This is giving me a headache. There are so many things wrong with the college football landscape and it doesn't look like any of them are getting changed in the near future. Look at the excitement college basketball generates. I know they are two different sports but come on, enough is enough. Stupid Rose Bowl Parade.
 

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If teams weren't ranked based on their names, then sportswriters would have to do some work and learn something about these teams.

Nah, it's much more efficient for them to do it this way, and write some half-paragraph trying to make it sound like they know anything about these teams.
 

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I would make time to watch any game of a college football playoff - like the NFL playoffs.
I can't say the same for more than a handful of this year's bowl games.
 

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Any real fan of college football wants to see a playoff. Imagine if Iowa State was one of the teams that got screwed. Sure there are going to be teams left out of any postseason (thats how it works) but in a playoff more teams get a chance to prove they belong and we aren't stuck watching worthless bowl games. There isn't a chance there'd be more whining and complaining if there was a playoff.
I"m a "real" college football fan, and I don't want to see a playoff.

In fact it's really the only sport I'm a fan of precisely because it doesn't have a playoff.
 

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I"m a "real" college football fan, and I don't want to see a playoff.

In fact it's really the only sport I'm a fan of precisely because it doesn't have a playoff.
I guess I should've worded that better. Care to give an explanation...?
 

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An 8-team playoff scenario for this year:
1. Florida vs. 8. Texas Tech
4. Alabama vs. 5. USC
3. Texas vs. 6. Penn State
2. Oklahoma vs. 7. Utah
Yeah who wants to watch these games? :jimlad:
 

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I guess I should've worded that better. Care to give an explanation...?

I guess I don't really care who the "champion" is. I don't care about the NFL playoffs, or the Superbowl, or the world series. If you're playing the entire season just to figure out who the champion is, what's the point of playing all the games? Just have a playoff from day 1. Which is exactly what college football more or less is. The regular season in every other sport is exactly what the bowl season is in college football. The playoffs give meaning to other sports in the same way that the regular season gives meaning to college football.

I haven't watched more than a few minutes of any NFL game this year, but I've watched every single college game I can find time to watch I'll watch, because every game is meaningful to and in the landscape of college football.

If NCAA D1 football was 30 or 40 schools with a 20 game season, yeah a playoff would make sense. With 120 schools playing 10 or 11 games, though, trying to find any fair way to determine who the best 8 or 16 teams is to even begin to see a playoff bracket is impossible, IMO.
 
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If NCAA D1 football was 30 or 40 schools with a 20 game season, yeah a playoff would make sense. With 120 schools playing 10 or 11 games, though, trying to find any fair way to determine who the best 8 or 16 teams is to even begin to see a playoff bracket is impossible, IMO.

Well they seem to have it down pat in basketball?:confused:
 

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An 8-team playoff scenario for this year:
1. Florida vs. 8. Texas Tech
4. Alabama vs. 5. USC
3. Texas vs. 6. Penn State
2. Oklahoma vs. 7. Utah
Yeah who wants to watch these games? :jimlad:
and now you've left out undefeated boise state, one loss ball state (easily could have ended up undefeated), TCU (who ended Boise State's undefeated season in their bowl game), and the champion from both the ACC and Big East. Not to mention a very good Oregon State team that beat USC and only lost in a rivalry game and to a Penn State team that almost went undefeated.
 

Clone5

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I guess I don't really care who the "champion" is. I don't care about the NFL playoffs, or the Superbowl, or the world series. If you're playing the entire season just to figure out who the champion is, what's the point of playing all the games? Just have a playoff from day 1. Which is exactly what college football more or less is. The regular season in every other sport is exactly what the bowl season is in college football. The playoffs give meaning to other sports in the same way that the regular season gives meaning to college football.

I haven't watched more than a few minutes of any NFL game this year, but I've watched every single college game I can find time to watch I'll watch, because every game is meaningful to and in the landscape of college football.

If NCAA D1 football was 30 or 40 schools with a 20 game season, yeah a playoff would make sense. With 120 schools playing 10 or 11 games, though, trying to find any fair way to determine who the best 8 or 16 teams is to even begin to see a playoff bracket is impossible, IMO.
I've never really understood this argument. College football's season would still be extremely important because teams would be trying to make it into the playoffs. I really enjoy watching end of the year NFL and college basketball games because the intensity is so high as a result of teams jockeying for seeds, home field advantage, etc. I'm a fan who wants the best matchups and a chance for the best teams to come out on top not one who is willing to just throw two teams in a championship game.
 

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Well they seem to have it down pat in basketball?:confused:
They play a lot more regular season games, have a much bigger tournament that is less logistically complex than a football one would be, and can seed every team with a legitimate shot to win the tournament.
 

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and now you've left out undefeated boise state, one loss ball state (easily could have ended up undefeated), TCU (who ended Boise State's undefeated season in their bowl game), and the champion from both the ACC and Big East. Not to mention a very good Oregon State team that beat USC and only lost in a rivalry game and to a Penn State team that almost went undefeated.
And all of those teams were also left out of the championship picture. They would still play in a bowl game just the same way they did now. IF playoffs are installed they would have to find a way to get the conference champions in there unfortunately but the system I posted would be ideal. There are so many ways to do a playoff and to me any of them would be better than watching Virginia Tech Vs. Cincinnati in the Orange Bowl.
 

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I've never really understood this argument. College football's season would still be extremely important because teams would be trying to make it into the playoffs. I really enjoy watching end of the year NFL and college basketball games because the intensity is so high as a result of teams jockeying for seeds, home field advantage, etc. I'm a fan who wants the best matchups and a chance for the best teams to come out on top not one who is willing to just throw two teams in a championship game.
The season on the whole still may be important, but none of the games are nearly as significant. Does Texas Tech beating Texas matter in a playoff? Iowa beating Penn State? How about Alabama losing to Florida? Or USC losing to Oregon State?

Every single one of those games in-and-of-itself made the championship game what it was. There is urgency every single week from week one in college football. The regular season matters in week 1 of college. Any given game on any given week rarely matters at all in the pros.
 

jumbopackage

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And all of those teams were also left out of the championship picture. They would still play in a bowl game just the same way they did now. IF playoffs are installed they would have to find a way to get the conference champions in there unfortunately but the system I posted would be ideal. There are so many ways to do a playoff and to me any of them would be better than watching Virginia Tech Vs. Cincinnati in the Orange Bowl.
The bowl games will go away with a playoff. Plain and simple. Do you see any bowl games in 1AA?
 

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I've never really understood this argument. College football's season would still be extremely important because teams would be trying to make it into the playoffs. I really enjoy watching end of the year NFL and college basketball games because the intensity is so high as a result of teams jockeying for seeds, home field advantage, etc. I'm a fan who wants the best matchups and a chance for the best teams to come out on top not one who is willing to just throw two teams in a championship game.

Exactly! A playoff would make the games MORE meaningful because 2 losses would most likely eliminate a team from the playoff.

In my way of thinking - the major bowls would be incorporated into the playoff. The smaller bowls could continue to operate provided there was a demand for them.
 

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Who says Utah isn't the best team in the entire country? Fact is, nobody knows and nobody ever will in the current system.

Utah beat 6 bowl teams this year... plus a victory at Michigan before anyone knew how bad they were going to be. How many bowl teams did Iowa beat this year? I think 3. One was South Carolina (they stink)... another was Penn St (good, but we saw what USC did to them)... and finally Wisky (FSU destroyed them).

Utah has as good of wins as nearly anyone. They beat Boise St, TCU, and Alabama. 3 top 15 teams. Not to mention BYU as well.

Playoff is the only way to go!
 

URBCLONE

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The season on the whole still may be important, but none of the games are nearly as significant. Does Texas Tech beating Texas matter in a playoff? Iowa beating Penn State? How about Alabama losing to Florida? Or USC losing to Oregon State?

Every single one of those games in-and-of-itself made the championship game what it was. There is urgency every single week from week one in college football. The regular season matters in week 1 of college. Any given game on any given week rarely matters at all in the pros.

Not true. Every game matters in the NFL. I have DirecTV to watch the Bengals every week. In '06 they finished 8-8 and would have made the playoffs had they won even one of their final three games. Many teams are in this position as the season winds on and there are compelling matchups nearly every week.

MLB and the NBA are different because their seasons are too long. The NBA playoff system has been expanded too far and lasts three months. Thus, things don't get really interesting until the conference championships and the finals. In a way the bowl system kind of reminds me of the NBA postseason.
 

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An 8-team playoff scenario for this year:
1. Florida vs. 8. Texas Tech
4. Alabama vs. 5. USC
3. Texas vs. 6. Penn State
2. Oklahoma vs. 7. Utah
Yeah who wants to watch these games? :jimlad:

If this ever gets implemented, about 90 D1 programs (including ISU) better hope that they have assume basketball programs because their football programs will slip further behind the top 15 programs. The current bowl system gives the middle-of-the-pack teams a chance to climb the ladder of success. Every playoff plan that I've seen would end up killing off the majority of the bowls that currently give more teams something to play for.
 

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