Big 12 Expansion (new thread)

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Extremely unlikely. He would be passing up around 2-3mil per year. Plus with all his success at cinci he still has a pretty trash recruiting class with only one four star. Also they will always be on the outside looking in for the playoffs as a group of 5 team. USC is simply a much much better job. Coaches have left Cinci and had major success at other schools don’t really see why that would change.
He may go to USC. He may stay at Cincinnati. But neither you or me have any idea what his personal decision will be. Everyone thought Matt Campbell would leave Iowa State 3 years ago. He is not making the decision based on your values and beliefs.
 
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Extremely unlikely. He would be passing up around 2-3mil per year. Plus with all his success at cinci he still has a pretty trash recruiting class with only one four star. Also they will always be on the outside looking in for the playoffs as a group of 5 team. USC is simply a much much better job. Coaches have left Cinci and had major success at other schools don’t really see why that would change.
So Cincy is on the outside looking in? The move to the Big12 will only strengthen their chances to make the playoffs. Winning is all that matters.
 
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Extremely unlikely. He would be passing up around 2-3mil per year. Plus with all his success at cinci he still has a pretty trash recruiting class with only one four star. Also they will always be on the outside looking in for the playoffs as a group of 5 team. USC is simply a much much better job. Coaches have left Cinci and had major success at other schools don’t really see why that would change.
Fickell has a similar family situation as Campbell with like 4 young kids. I highly doubt either one goes to USC and the LA area because of that.
 

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I agree. I would be fine with the SEC, though like you I prefer the B1G. What I don’t like about the B1G is ... ... ... ... ... ISU is also located in the largest, fastest-growing part of the state, with greater long-term growth potential.
The Register has a nice article today on DM Metro growth. It is one of theirs online that you have to be a subscriber to view, but some here might purchase today's physical copy locally.

This link is to that article, but which likely won't let you open anything if you aren't a subscriber (but will instead give you the 6 months for a dollar option -- as it as one of their "Subscriber Only" articles, that is, it is not included in your allotment of monthly freebies if you don't already subscribe):

"How Des Moines became Midwest's fastest-growing major metro"

This link is to their website, where that article is currently on the front page:

I have been a fierce critic of the Register. I am not that interested, therefore, in personal attacks and that critique more generally. But I am going to offer a few personal observations below.

I know, TLDR. Just my 2 cents.

Recently, I started reading online newspapers using the PDF download option, and I personally find that superior to just the website. Viewing just the website, to me, seems comparable to in the pre-internet era just watching the evening news. In those days, you weren't considered well informed if you didn't read a daily newspaper. I also find it highly efficient to read the physical copy of a newspaper. You can see a glance what is important, flip through the pages, and get right to it.

Viewing a website, how many things are you going to click to see if something is worth reading -- or -- if you might discover something you might want to read on a different page? Do you click every link?

Even if I don't subscribe, I view just scanning a newspaper's website as comparable to, in the past, just viewing the evening news. You might not be interested in more than what you see there -- in that format -- and even if you are, you might have access to more detail about that same news item elsewhere.

I haven't used the full download PDF option almost at all in the past. Having used it quite a bit recently, it is easy to see how editors and professional journalists probably have been for quite awhile. News sites I currently subscribe to include the Des Moines Register, the Omaha World-Herald, and the Council Bluffs Nonpareil. Their current online-only prices -- today (this could change) -- are one dollar for each one for the next six months. Three dollars total. Pretty cheap. If anyone does subscribe, under any deal like this, I'd suggest cancelling one month before your access expires, to avoid the regular charge -- if that is the plan -- as you might otherwise be surprised by the fine print somewhere, of the timing of when this will occur.

The PDF download, while identical to a home-delivered paper, is still not the same as reading the physical version. It is not like flipping pages. But still, I personally find it better than just the website. What I do, or try to do, is download all three newspapers listed above at the same time first thing in the morning, and scan each one. I don't always do so, which is comparable to not reading a physical version if I didn't have enough time that day.

It takes awhile to learn all of the functionality and how to do best do this, so there is a learning curve. Now that I have, the first thing in the morning, I scan basically all the news they also have on their website (even if a day late, so what) -- passing by/knowing some things I am not that interested in, like Ankeny, or Cornhusker football, or even the Cyclones, as I get more news on that elsewhere. Furthermore, I see articles I was very interested in but would not have seen on their website, because it was too buried for me to find, or because it was one that was only included in the PDF (home delivery) version. I have been doing this for awhile, so these articles don't stick out as much now that I am accustomed to it. But this was definitely the norm at first. I might see an article or two in each, every day, I was very interested in, but that -- even as a subscriber -- would never have seen on their website. More ordinary things that I might be interested in at a glance, that I was used to regularly seeing in the past, are things like current MLB standings and results.

Scanning newspapers like this is probably comparable to how some people scan their Twitter or other news feeds. And some of the news is in all three, so there is no need to read every one.

By having everything in front of me -- as opposed just just a snippet online -- it is also easy to read just a part, that is, to read some and then decide that's enough, and to move on to something else. So while it is not as efficient as the physical copy, I find it better and more efficient -- for me -- than just the website.

Furthermore, if I downloaded it to my hard drive, I can always come back to it later.

By doing things this way -- one and done -- I spend less time surveying online versions (which are often the same articles), and never seeing other articles, or getting into the detail. I do some but not as much. I find this way, for me, to be much more efficient and productive. It is a better use of my time.

I know, no one has to read the news. Everyone is different. It is just something I noticed recently.

I know, TLDR. Just my 2 cents.
 
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The Register has a nice article today on DM Metro growth. It is one of theirs online that you have to be a subscriber to view, but some here might purchase today's physical copy locally.

This link is to that article, but which likely won't let you open anything if you aren't a subscriber (but will instead give you the 6 months for a dollar option):

"How Des Moines became Midwest's fastest-growing major metro"

This link is to their website, where that article is currently on the front page:

I have been a fierce critic of the Register. I am not that interested, therefore, in personal attacks and that critique more generally. But I am going to offer a few personal observations below.

I know, TLDR. Just my 2 cents.

Recently, I started reading online newspapers using the PDF download option, and I personally find that superior to just the website. Viewing just the website, to me, seems comparable to in the pre-internet era just watching the evening news. In those days, you weren't considered well informed if you didn't read a daily newspaper. I find it highly efficient to read the physical copy of a newspaper. You can see a glance what is important, flip through the pages, and get right to it.

Viewing a website, how many things are you going to click to see if something is worth reading -- or, if you might discover something you might want to read on a different page?

Again, even if I don't subscribe, I view just scanning a newspaper's website as comparable to, in the past, just viewing the evening news.

You might not be interested in more than what you see there, and even if you are, you might have access to more detail about that same news item elsewhere.

I haven't used the full download PDF option almost at all in the past. Having used it quite a bit recently, it is easy to see how editors and professional journalists probably have been for quite awhile.

News sites I currently subscribe to include the Des Moines Register, the Omaha World-Herald, and the Council Bluffs Nonpareil. Their current online-only prices -- today (this could change) -- are one dollar for each one for the next six months. Three dollars total. Pretty cheap.

If anyone does subscribe today, under any deal like this, I would suggest cancelling one month before your access expires, to avoid the regular charge -- if that is the plan -- rather than wait, as you might otherwise be surprised by fine print somewhere, of the timing of when this will occur.

The PDF download, while identical to a home-delivered paper -- subject to some differences perhaps with respect to things like version, or which part of the state you might live, metro area or not, possibly for example -- is still not the same as reading the physical version. It is not like flipping pages.

But again, I personally find it better than just the website. What I do, or try to do, is download all three newspapers listed above at the same time, first thing in the morning, and scan each one. I don't always do so, which is comparable to not reading a physical version if I didn't have enough time that day.

It takes awhile to learn all of the functionality and how to do best do this, so there is a learning curve. But now that I have, first thing in the morning, I scan pretty much all the news they also have on their website (even if a day late, so what) -- knowing some things I am not that interested in, like Ankeny, or Cornhusker football, or even the Cyclones, as I get more news on that elsewhere. Furthermore, I see articles I was very interested in but would not have seen on their website, because it was too buried for me to find, or because it was only included in the PDF (home delivery) version.

I have been doing this for awhile, so these articles don't stick out as much now that I am accustomed to it. But this was definitely the norm at first. I might see an article or two in each, every day, I was very interested in, but -- even as a subscriber -- would never have seen on their website.

More ordinary things that I might be interested in at a glance, that I was used to seeing in newspapers in the past, are things like current MLB standings and results.

Scanning newspapers like this is probably comparable to how some people scan their Twitter or other news feeds. Some of the news is in all three, so there is no need to read each.

And by having everything in front of me -- as opposed just just a snippet online -- it is easy to read just a part, and read some and then decide that's enough, and to move on to something else. So while it is not as efficient as the physical copy, I find it better and more efficient -- for me -- than just the website.

Also, if I downloaded it to my hard drive, I can always come back to it later.

By doing things this way -- one and done -- I don't find much need to be continually surveying online versions. I do some but not as much. I find this way to be more efficient and productive.

I know, TLDR. Just my 2 cents.

wtf was that?
 

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Izzo is basically done, so Michigan St is now just a budget banner school. It is understandable that was his response.
What’s a budget banner school? I’m personally very happy to be ranked 11 in football again with an awesome reciting class again and also to be ranked in mbb with 2 more awesome recruiting classes. That being said Izzo is letting the game pass him by but I hope he has 1 more run left in him.
 

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The Register has a nice article today on DM Metro growth. It is one of theirs online that you have to be a subscriber to view, but some here might purchase today's physical copy locally.

This link is to that article, but which likely won't let you open anything if you aren't a subscriber (but will instead give you the 6 months for a dollar option -- as it as one of their "Subscriber Only" articles, that is, it is not included in your allotment of monthly freebies if you don't already subscribe):

"How Des Moines became Midwest's fastest-growing major metro"

This link is to their website, where that article is currently on the front page:

I have been a fierce critic of the Register. I am not that interested, therefore, in personal attacks and that critique more generally. But I am going to offer a few personal observations below.

I know, TLDR. Just my 2 cents.

Recently, I started reading online newspapers using the PDF download option, and I personally find that superior to just the website. Viewing just the website, to me, seems comparable to in the pre-internet era just watching the evening news. In those days, you weren't considered well informed if you didn't read a daily newspaper. I find it highly efficient to read the physical copy of a newspaper. You can see a glance what is important, flip through the pages, and get right to it.

Viewing a website, how many things are you going to click to see if something is worth reading -- or -- if you might discover something you might want to read on a different page? Do you click every link?

Even if I don't subscribe, I view just scanning a newspaper's website as comparable to, in the past, just viewing the evening news. You might not be interested in more than what you see there, and even if you are, you might have access to more detail about that same news item elsewhere.

I haven't used the full download PDF option almost at all in the past. Having used it quite a bit recently, it is easy to see how editors and professional journalists probably have been for quite awhile.

News sites I currently subscribe to include the Des Moines Register, the Omaha World-Herald, and the Council Bluffs Nonpareil. Their current online-only prices -- today (this could change) -- are one dollar for each one for the next six months. Three dollars total. Pretty cheap.

If anyone does subscribe today, under any deal like this, I would suggest cancelling one month before your access expires, to avoid the regular charge -- if that is the plan -- rather than wait, as you might otherwise be surprised by fine print somewhere, of the timing of when this will occur.

The PDF download, while identical to a home-delivered paper -- subject to some differences perhaps with respect to things like version, or which part of the state you might live, metro area or not, possibly for example -- is still not the same as reading the physical version. It is not like flipping pages.

But again, I personally find it better than just the website. What I do, or try to do, is download all three newspapers listed above at the same time, first thing in the morning, and scan each one. I don't always do so, which is comparable to not reading a physical version if I didn't have enough time that day.

It takes awhile to learn all of the functionality and how to do best do this, so there is a learning curve. But now that I have, first thing in the morning, I scan pretty much all the news they also have on their website (even if a day late, so what) -- knowing some things I am not that interested in, like Ankeny, or Cornhusker football, or even the Cyclones, as I get more news on that elsewhere. Furthermore, I see articles I was very interested in but would not have seen on their website, because it was too buried for me to find, or because it was only included in the PDF (home delivery) version.

I have been doing this for awhile, so these articles don't stick out as much now that I am accustomed to it. But this was definitely the norm at first. I might see an article or two in each, every day, I was very interested in, but -- even as a subscriber -- would never have seen on their website.

More ordinary things that I might be interested in at a glance, that I was used to seeing in newspapers in the past, are things like current MLB standings and results.

Scanning newspapers like this is probably comparable to how some people scan their Twitter or other news feeds. Some of the news is in all three, so there is no need to read each.

And by having everything in front of me -- as opposed just just a snippet online -- it is easy to read just a part, and read some and then decide that's enough, and to move on to something else. So while it is not as efficient as the physical copy, I find it better and more efficient -- for me -- than just the website.

Also, if I downloaded it to my hard drive, I can always come back to it later.

By doing things this way -- one and done -- I don't find much need to be continually surveying online versions. I do some but not as much. I find this way, for me, to be more efficient and productive.

I know, TLDR. Just my 2 cents.

I see we've entered the manifesto stage of realignment
 

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let's wait until the pac 12 blows up to add more teams and/or try enticing the a few teams if the pac 12 gets a rotten media deal
 
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The last newspaper I bought had fewer words.
I probably should have just said it is a good article (though few here likely have access).

What I wrote is long, and I should have done more of this before posting, but I edited and cleaned it up some.

I would add that you can see news organizations respond favorably to attention on sites such as this. I have seen it recently and in the past. As part of the DM Metro, a business like the Register should also have a business interest in ISU remaining in a good place conference-wise.

The Register article is a good article for ISU, and long, and it helps make the case to others.

This is just a part, but it cites an ISU economist, and makes direct observations between Des Moines and Story County, like people entering its labor force from there.
 
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What’s a budget banner school? I’m personally very happy to be ranked 11 in football again with an awesome reciting class again and also to be ranked in mbb with 2 more awesome recruiting classes. That being said Izzo is letting the game pass him by but I hope he has 1 more run left in him.
Enjoy the ranking, but Michigan St is an afterthought in its own division. Soon to be the Missouri of the Big 10 imo