Big 12 needs to Expand
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West Virginia will be fine! Just let these 2 division conferences play out a couple of years. A few more LSU beating Alabama in conference play then losing in the Conference championship and they will see how a ten team conference keeps you from playing a team twice. Losing that 2nd game means you beat the champion but you are still out of the playoffs. You should never have to play a team twice.
The Big 12 BB tourny has ended on Sat for the past few years, and will in the future. No way the conference would allow Cincy in. I think other have taken care of the rest.
ND going to the ACC bacially put an end to the Big 12 expanding.
Why would that be? It's a move that only benefits the basketball members of the conference, something Virginia Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Florida State are already ****** about. ND gets all the benefits of playing 5 ACC opponents in football and access to its bowl games without giving anything back to the conference in terms of football. This didn't go over well with the Big East, and eventually it's going to cause big problems in the ACC. Why do you think so many of us want ND nowhere near the Big 12 unless it's as a full member in all sports?
There's a really, really, really, really simple answer as to why we have 9 conference games: $.
10 teams playing 9 conference games = 45 football games to broadcast, roughly 40 of which have a team worth watching in them. Guarantee of top teams playing each other multiple times as the standings change.
10 teams playing 8 conference games = 40 football games to broadcast, roughly 35 of which have a team worth watching in them. No guarantees of top two for example playing against each other.
Any Big 12 game is better than 90% of the nonconference games to broadcast. Each team plays a max of one school with pulse nonconference.
10 teams playing 9 conference games = 45 football games to broadcast, roughly 40 of which have a team worth watching in them. Guarantee of top teams playing each other multiple times as the standings change.
10 teams playing 8 conference games = 40 football games to broadcast, roughly 35 of which have a team worth watching in them. No guarantees of top two for example playing against each other.
Any Big 12 game is better than 90% of the nonconference games to broadcast. Each team plays a max of one school with pulse nonconference.
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TV contracts says we do to justify the product they are paying our conference to produce.
Then I'd structure the contract to require every team play a BCS team non-conference to add quality tv games. Maybe try something like a Pac12/Big 12 or Big 10/Big 12 challenge. Something to liven up the non-conference and not make the conference schedule quite so brutal.
It took ACC schools out of play since they agreed to and now have a $50M buyout. I was not talking about ND to the Big 12 I was talking about other ACC schools to the Big 12.
Which conference is going to jump at the chance to play a Big 12 team?
For Iowa State's purposes, which is better for you: Play on the road at Toledo and get nothing or on the road at Texas and be getting paid indirectly to do so? Play at home against Texas, get a higher gate, be on a legitimate television station, and not have to pay Toledo to come to Ames or play Toledo in Ames, lower gate, on Cyclones.tv, and on top of all that have to pay Toledo a half million dollars to come to Ames? Easy call for JP, especially when your budget is dead last in your conference and you can utilize an extra dollar presumably better than anyone else can.
It would be awesome if we could find two football only schools. Then we can keep the current MBBall format. But thats pretty backwards of how it usually goes.
The only overlapping “comparison season†between the old divisional Big 12 and the new round-robin was 2011.
I won’t post the full schedule analysis here, but if you carry over the previous Big 12 South rotation among remaining North teams (ISU/KU/KSU/Missouri), and the results of those games in 2011, Iowa State would have finished below K-State and Missouri in the North even if ISU swept the phantom CU/Nebraska matchups and KSU and Missouri each lost both of those games.
Reason: Lost head-to-head vs. KSU and Missouri.
ISU’s worst-case in old divisional: 2-6. Actual in round-robin: 3-6
Best case: 4-4 (third place at best in division). Actual: 3-6
The South rotation pre-realignment for ISU in 2011 was UT-Tech-OU. Iowa State finished 1-2 vs. those teams. And the “weak slate†— BU/A&M/OSU — also 1-2, including a loss to the “dependable doormat,†Baylor. Biggest win all season (maybe all-time) was Oklahoma State — which wouldn’t have been on the schedule at all.
Is a divisional setup that much better?
NBC/ND basically just fixed the last 2 games and paid the refs to make sure they didn't lose to BYU/Stanford. They get to do whatever they want.
Big 12 might be the best conference in both sports overall but if ND were to join a conference it was always ACC...then Big 10...then Big 12. (Because of ease to a BCS aq spot.)
BUT.... its ND they can keep paying the refs to ensure they don't lose to better teams like BYU and Stanford of course just so that when OU thumps them by 50 they are still in line for their first BCS game since the embarrassment Weis's first year.
The ACC sucks enough in football that ND is better than what they have and gives those teams a much needed big home game every 4 years. FSU is the only one now since Clemson is the clear cut #2 after FSU in that conference and....wait a minute...I think West Virginia just scored on them again....
Noone gets excited for crap like NC State, Boston College, or GT and Miami and VT are no longer important programs. Not to mention taking ND away from the basketball schools they should be playing is a death blow to the Big East for hoops. The ACC tournament for basketball will be in Madison Sq Garden within a year or two the Big East will still be good but it'll just be a high profile version of the A-10 (Memphis is that conference's only good move though Boise+SD State for FB is embarrassing.)
The ACC gets a lot out of getting ND in hoops it seriously screws the Catholic non football Big East schools (even though Providence, Marquette, St Johns, Villanova, and Georgetown are unquestionably superior hoops programs to freakin ND both right now and historically.)
Its wrong and if they were an honorable program and ND wanted to be independent they should play the Jesuit schools in hoops at least and create a good conference with them. But they want ACC hoops I guess. Hope they miss the tournament for 20 strait years.
Disagree. West Virginia has been exposed and could easily end the season 6-6. K-State is the favorite by far but Texas Tech this weekend will be much more of a test than WVU was.
I sat next to a big xii administrator on a plane ride from Texas. I asked if there was a possibility of adding more teams, and the response was, "A expansion is just plain and simple not going to happen. There is too much money now being invested and split among the schools, and no-one is willing to give that up. At some point, will it happen...maybe, but not in the foreseeable future".
