Big 12 realignment is back...looks like real changes coming soon.

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As far as teams, I've always liked Memphis. They have the financial backing and are geographically the right fit
 

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I'd take Uconn and cincy. Uconn is garbage at football that'll be an easy W

Heh, Toledo recently beat Cinci and another Big 12 school:th_o: along with that ARK school from the mighty,mighty sEc. Any chance???? We have atleast 50 fans. :pbaffled:
 
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As I've said repeatedly: BYU as football only solves a lot of problems. No Sunday scheduling headaches plus we could keep round robin basketball with eleven teams. East-West divisions in football could be arranged so that BYU & WVU don't have to worry about crossing two time zones very often.

But by all means, carry on with the UCONN basketball wet dream. Because that's what's driving realignment: basketball.

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Regardless of whether or not this specific speculation is true, I imagine it's only a matter of time before the conference expands (which, in a way, is unfortunate because I like the round-robin schedule, no matter how much it puts Iowa State at a competitive disadvantage). When it does, I think Cincinnati is a slam dunk for one of the spots. Size, geography, endowment, and facilities are all working in their favor. Fan support is a bit tepid, but not terrible, and you'd figure it may increase playing in the Big 12.

Who gets the other spot (assuming we stop at 12) is going to be very interesting. BYU and UConn would add the most money and have the best fan support, but are pretty far flung geographically, and there are cultural "fit" issues to consider with BYU, as well.

Memphis or USF/UCF would be the long-term investment options for the conference. Memphis would fit nicely within the geographic footprint and has a ton of potential room to grow (especially with FedEx in the area providing possible funding). Gameday facilities aren't a concern, playing in the Liberty Bowl and the FedExForum. Both USF and UCF's enrollments have skyrocketed, and if their growing alumni base gets more emotionally/financially invested in their sports teams, they could be very nice additions, but again, a bit outside our existing geographic footprint.

I don't see Colorado State or Boise State happening - both have pretty significant negatives to overcome (geography for both, facilities and fan support for Colorado State, academics/size/money for Boise State). Northern Illinois, while a nice location for the conference to expand, simply has too much work to do facilities/fan support-wise to merit a place in a major conference right now.

Houston would also fit in well from a location aspect and definitely has a lot of growth opportunity, but I don't see the conference adding another mid-tier Texas school. That also crosses SMU off the list, who would definitely be behind Houston in the pecking order. Tulane, while great academically, is not a realistic candidate athletics-wise.

I've always thought Memphis would be a really good fit along with Cincy with UConn as a secondary option. Memphis is a better fit geographically and as mentioned with FedEx in the picture plenty of financial backing to grow and enhance facilities that are already pretty good. I think they would seem to be a better fit culturally as well but I can see how the suits would prefer UConn.
 

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Other people in other threads have said this but no way those in the other half would allow the 'south' to be so stacked. More likely would be ISU or KU opposite Conn to even out the mediocre football.

It wouldn't be about evening out the divisions it would be making Texas & OU happy. Both of which want to play the Texas/Oklahoma schools every year. Some would call that the Texahoma Division.

The league also probably figures it leaves little chance for the Texahoma champ to be beaten in the CCG giving it an easier path to the playoffs.
 

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As I've said repeatedly: BYU as football only solves a lot of problems. No Sunday scheduling headaches plus we could keep round robin basketball with eleven teams. East-West divisions in football could be arranged so that BYU & WVU don't have to worry about crossing two time zones very often.

But by all means, carry on with the UCONN basketball wet dream. Because that's what's driving realignment: basketball.

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Don't you think you should call Bob instead? I'm sure once he hears your case, he'll fast track it.
 

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I wouldn't guarantee that Texahoma wants to play all of the Texas schools every year.

The money in the TV contract would likely be greater if the non-Texahoma schools got to play against some Texahoma schools every year. That makes me think they split up the Texas schools between the two divisions. OU and OkieState would stay together in a division with Texas and another TX school.
 

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Possible division set ups depending on if Texas and OU want to be int he same division or not. I'm pretty confident that OU and OSU will push to be in the same division so thats a factor. Seems like there are reports for both options so who really knows until they get down to the nitty gritty of making a decision.

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Cincy
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UConn
TCU or OU
Baylor or OSU

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OU or TCU
OSU or Baylor
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It wouldn't be about evening out the divisions it would be making Texas & OU happy. Both of which want to play the Texas/Oklahoma schools every year. Some would call that the Texahoma Division.

The league also probably figures it leaves little chance for the Texahoma champ to be beaten in the CCG giving it an easier path to the playoffs.

That is called the "B1G" model.
 

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As I've said repeatedly: BYU as football only solves a lot of problems. No Sunday scheduling headaches plus we could keep round robin basketball with eleven teams. East-West divisions in football could be arranged so that BYU & WVU don't have to worry about crossing two time zones very often.

But by all means, carry on with the UCONN basketball wet dream. Because that's what's driving realignment: basketball.

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I am not saying its going to happen but if realignment is to happen I think there is a good chance it has to do with a Big 12 Network and if you ever want ACC schools having a network while the ACC does not is a big selling point.

Yes, football has been the driver of expansion to date but NYC cares about college basketball and a network needs more than 12 Saturdays during the football season. A lot of commentary believes UCONN would get carriage in NYC and they are a basketball blue blood or at least a modern day one. So if UCONN helps us get carriage in NYC that gives us eyeballs needed for a network, which may help this league get the type of ACC additions it needs.
 

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My only fear is that Hawkeye games are hidden in the big 10 network. Cyclones are on espn. I dont want to be hidden away on a specific network in the 600s.
 

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My only fear is that Hawkeye games are hidden in the big 10 network. Cyclones are on espn. I dont want to be hidden away on a specific network in the 600s.

If they keep winning they'll stay on ESPN. This would replace the early games on Mediacom and cyclones.TV.

And really, do you consider playing games on a premium channel on Sundays opposite the NFL playoffs as hidden? Well, hopefully we never stoop that low
 

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What about just reorganizing the divisions every two or four years to keep balance. Odd ranked go to one division, even to the other. Setup rivals on an as needed basis

Awesome idea that should happen, but probably won't because of rivalries.

I guess you could have one protected rival per team, and if it happens that you will end up in opposite divisions for the next division alignment you'll get a guaranteed cross division game with them for the next few years. Would probably make scheduling a cluster, but it could work. Cumulative record every 2-4 years used to evenly re-align divisions. This would guarantee an awesome regular season and CCG, however there's a good chance someone like OU would hate it because they have two big rivals they want to keep on the schedule every year (Tex/OSU), and if they end up in opposite division of them it's likely they'd have to drop one of them every few years.