Big XII vs. Big 10
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Clone fans do this in football all the time. Personally I only root for one Big 12 team. The rest can loose every game as far as I am concerned.
The B1G's top 3 teams were probably stronger than the Big 12's top 3 teams IMO. But overall, the Big 12 was better due to it's MUCH better depth.
There were a lot more cupcake games in the B1G than there were in the Big 12. Plus, in the Big 12, you have to play everyone twice. That is huge. Nebraska got into the dance ONLY because they played an awful schedule. They only had to play Michigan St and Wisky once.
It turns out, the B1G is going to look really strong because of 3 teams, but that doesn't tell the whole story. And all 3 of them are extremely lucky to have gotten this far too. That's what the NCAA Tourney is though. One and done. If you get a few good breaks here and there, you advance.
Michigan State could have easily lost to Virginia. Won by 2. Michigan could have easily gone down against Tennessee if not for the flop-charge call they got at the end. If that call would have been a block instead of a charging call, Michigan could be at home right now. And Wisky was down by 16 pts or something like that against Oregon in their 2nd game. Luckily for Wisky, they were virtually playing at home in Milwaukee and got all the calls in the 2nd half to win that game.
It truly is a tournament of inches here or there.
There were a lot more cupcake games in the B1G than there were in the Big 12. Plus, in the Big 12, you have to play everyone twice. That is huge. Nebraska got into the dance ONLY because they played an awful schedule. They only had to play Michigan St and Wisky once.
It turns out, the B1G is going to look really strong because of 3 teams, but that doesn't tell the whole story. And all 3 of them are extremely lucky to have gotten this far too. That's what the NCAA Tourney is though. One and done. If you get a few good breaks here and there, you advance.
Michigan State could have easily lost to Virginia. Won by 2. Michigan could have easily gone down against Tennessee if not for the flop-charge call they got at the end. If that call would have been a block instead of a charging call, Michigan could be at home right now. And Wisky was down by 16 pts or something like that against Oregon in their 2nd game. Luckily for Wisky, they were virtually playing at home in Milwaukee and got all the calls in the 2nd half to win that game.
It truly is a tournament of inches here or there.
I don't think there's any denying the B1G is the best conference in basketball. Getting 3 teams to the Elite 8 for any conference is incredible. And if I had to predict which of the three would not make it to the final 4 it would've been Wiscy...but there they are. I think it says more about the conference as a whole than just the top 3 teams. Playing cupcake games all season wouldn't have prepped them for such deep runs in the tourney. Kudos to them.
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Nothing to defend. Do you honestly think ISU wouldn't be in the Elite 8 with Niang playing? Kansas with Embid?
Last year, and the years before that have nothing to do with this year. And this year will have nothing to do with 2015.
The Big 10 has three really good/healthy teams at the top. The rest of the conference is bad. Did you watch Nebraska and Ohio State? Not impressed. Iowa didn't even make the tournament..
Oh, and making the sweet 16 isn't nothing either.
KU was still seriously flawed with Embiid. It's not like he would've taken minutes from that backcourt.
Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas have all made the Final Four since the turn of the century. That's four by my count. Five, if you count WVU, even though they weren't in the Big 12 at the time (kind of like the Big 10 Net bragging about Nebraska's football tradition). Iowa has 1 win in the tournament since the turn of the century (haven't even been to the tournament in 8 years), so Iowa fans need to shut the F### up.
The irony of some posters on here always cracks me up.
When the Big 12 is the better conference in football (even if we only won 3 games that season), those same posters in this thread would be beating their chest in every thread saying how the Big 12 was better than the Big 10, even if Iowa pounded us by 30 that year.
When the Big 10 is better in basketball, none of it matters since the only thing that matters is how the individual team did, and anyone who cares to mention how good the conference is doing is an idiot.
When the Big 12 is the better conference in football (even if we only won 3 games that season), those same posters in this thread would be beating their chest in every thread saying how the Big 12 was better than the Big 10, even if Iowa pounded us by 30 that year.
When the Big 10 is better in basketball, none of it matters since the only thing that matters is how the individual team did, and anyone who cares to mention how good the conference is doing is an idiot.
The irony of YOU calling anyone else an idiot is the real story of this post.
In reality, and I can't expect you to understand, is there is a huge difference between saying Iowa State would have a better record in football playing Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota every year, and iola fan trying to prop up their pathetic existence by coat tailing the three good teams in their league.
It's like Steve Martin in Roxanne saying that even though the other guy slept with Darryl Hanna, since he used his words to get her there. It was like he slept with her too.
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"I love the smell of hatepalm in the morning". During the WI / AZ game last night, I was texting with my sophomore at ISU, who was beside himself that I wanted Wisconsin. My wife came into the family room and asked how I could root for a B1G team to win.
I don't care at all about conferences when it comes to the NCAA tournament! Why would I pull for Kentucky, UCONN or Arizona, distant schools who've won titles since the new millennium? I won't pull for Michigan State or Michigan because I don't care for either of them.
I like the State of Wisconsin, the City of Madison and the University of Wisconsin. I'm hoping the Badgers win the national title and couldn't care less that they're in the B1G...
I don't care at all about conferences when it comes to the NCAA tournament! Why would I pull for Kentucky, UCONN or Arizona, distant schools who've won titles since the new millennium? I won't pull for Michigan State or Michigan because I don't care for either of them.
I like the State of Wisconsin, the City of Madison and the University of Wisconsin. I'm hoping the Badgers win the national title and couldn't care less that they're in the B1G...
the major conferences are going to have 15, 14, 14, 12 and 10 teams
The average person's inability to grasp really basic math is not going to help us. If the ACC had 11 tournament teams people would be going nuts…that's what the Big 12 did, roughly equivalent to 11 ACC tournament bids.
The Big Ten is clearly the best conference at the top, but 70% of our teams were tournament worthy. That's a tough conference to have a good record in. Big 12 has nothing to apologize for.
The average person's inability to grasp really basic math is not going to help us. If the ACC had 11 tournament teams people would be going nuts…that's what the Big 12 did, roughly equivalent to 11 ACC tournament bids.
The Big Ten is clearly the best conference at the top, but 70% of our teams were tournament worthy. That's a tough conference to have a good record in. Big 12 has nothing to apologize for.
At the end of the day, I hate KU all year long so I'm not going to all of the sudden cheer for them when the tournament comes around. My brother (an Iowa fan) hates MSU all year long, so he's not going to all of a sudden cheer for them to make the final four. Strength of conference obviously matters, but the argument isn't really valid either way unless every team in each conference faces every member of another conference a couple of times during the year, in a game like basketball where anything can happen on a given night.
Obviously a ton of people feel differently, and have a great sense of pride in their respective conferences, but no matter what the situation, my personal feelings toward a school matter more than what conference they're in.
Obviously a ton of people feel differently, and have a great sense of pride in their respective conferences, but no matter what the situation, my personal feelings toward a school matter more than what conference they're in.
KU did not deserve a W last year in Ames or this year in Lubbock. I'm thrilled any time they lose early playing in the "real world" away from their comfy WWE sports entertainment season. Our league is not doing them any favors, they're a historic program with an incredible coach, but the 10 straight should have an asterisk here or there.
I could care less if KU losing makes the Big 12 look bad. When other teams go out earlier than they should I am a little bummed for that reason though.
I blame OU for the collapse of the Big 12 in the Tourney. They were the sole 2nd place Big 12 team, and they couldn't get past North Dakota State....They were meant to do more damage in this tourney. Perhaps they were a little overrated during the season? Kansas State was done no favors in having to face Kentucky. Not that I thought they were that good to begin with.
At the end of this season, I do believe that the top 3 teams in the Big 10 were stronger than the top 3 teams in the Big 12, but only because two of the top teams in the Big 12 had major injuries occur. I do believe that if ISU and Kansas had not had the injuries they had, they both had a very good chance to advance to the FF. Kansas would have had an extra advantage with better seeding.
I think the rest of the two conferences are pretty even. After the 5th place team in each conference, there is really not much strength there. Baylor and Iowa are the 6th place teams, and while Baylor had a good run to close out their conference season, they collapsed against Wisconsin and looked terrible. Iowa lost 6 or their last 7 games, and then lost in the play-in game to Tennessee. I don't think either conference should have had more than the top 5 teams from each in the tourney. There were other teams much more deserving. No one will convince me that Iowa, Baylor, or Okie State belonged in the tourney more than SMU did.
Until you have conferences with the same number of teams in them, and playing the same round-robin or unbalanced type of schedule, I don't think you can say which conference is stronger than another. How they do in the NCAA is not really an indicator, because on any given night any one of those 64 teams can probably beat one of the others, with the possible exception of the 16 seeds winning.
I think the rest of the two conferences are pretty even. After the 5th place team in each conference, there is really not much strength there. Baylor and Iowa are the 6th place teams, and while Baylor had a good run to close out their conference season, they collapsed against Wisconsin and looked terrible. Iowa lost 6 or their last 7 games, and then lost in the play-in game to Tennessee. I don't think either conference should have had more than the top 5 teams from each in the tourney. There were other teams much more deserving. No one will convince me that Iowa, Baylor, or Okie State belonged in the tourney more than SMU did.
Until you have conferences with the same number of teams in them, and playing the same round-robin or unbalanced type of schedule, I don't think you can say which conference is stronger than another. How they do in the NCAA is not really an indicator, because on any given night any one of those 64 teams can probably beat one of the others, with the possible exception of the 16 seeds winning.
