Bill Nye vs Ken Ham debate

[JP4CY]

Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham Debate

I should have posted the link earlier, got caught up watching basketball.

Anyone else watching?

It would be nice to keep this civil and out of the cave.

 

[3TrueFans]

How do you debate creationism?

 

[LindenCy]

Prediction: this will be in the cave very soon.

 

[Goothrey]

What's your proof? Because the Bible says so....


Fantastic argument.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

To the bat cave

 

[JP4CY]

Prediction: this will be in the cave very soon.

I assume it will also. I thought maybe by posting in off topic that people would see it before it gets sent down and keep involved with it then.

 

[LindenCy]

I assume it will also. I thought maybe by posting in off topic that people would see it before it gets sent down and keep involved with it then.

I hope it doesn't, but I see it headed there.

 

[3TrueFans]

What is the point of a debate like that? What do you suppose the odds are that the creationist guy is going to spontaneously decide that god doesn't exist?

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Faith & science can (and do) co-exist.

The problems begin when you involve people.

 

[Goothrey]

"its not survival of the fittest, its the survival of those that survived"

 

[StratCY]

I dont like the fact that Ham can pick and choose what he wants from the bible to be fact, and what he wants to poetry, or what he wants to be prophesy, etc. Bill also said there is no reason why science and religion cant co-exist, and I firmly believe that.

 

[capitalcityguy]

What is the point of a debate like that? What do you suppose the odds are that the creationist guy is going to spontaneously decide that god doesn't exist?

Dude...debates are for the audience...not the debaters.

Do you watch a presidential debate expecting one of them to suddenly say, "yeah, you're right. I think I'll vote for you instead of myself'.

 

[capitalcityguy]

I dont like the fact that Ham can pick and choose what he wants from the bible to be fact, and what he wants to poetry, or what he wants to be prophesy, etc. Bill also said there is no reason why science and religion cant co-exist, and I firmly believe that.

They can co-exist...Nye has suggested otherwise in other venues.

 

[RedlineSi]

Ken Ham is a scary person.

 

[whirlybirds]

How do you debate creationism?

You can't. It always ends with the argument "If you weren't there, how did you know it happened?"

 

[Rhoadhoused]

They can co-exist...Nye has suggested otherwise in other venues.

I think people with faith believe they can co exist a lot more than people without faith do since science can be proven and has been tested, ect.

Staunch athiests say faith can't coexist with science because there is no proof, which is what science is based on.

Not picking a side, but I think that is the general reason for the disagreement when it comes to coexistance.

 

[StClone]

They can co-exist...Nye has suggested otherwise in other venues.

Nye's point of Religion/Science co-existence has been consistent and a bit more complex than you note. Depending on the Religion strict adherence to some Faiths will absolutely make Science the enemy. Science does not ever exclude a God, and by extension those Gods' Religion and followers, only that we take into account what we can repeatedly observe and draw educated principles upon.

 

[capitalcityguy]

I think people with faith believe they can co exist a lot more than people without faith do since science can be proven and has been tested, ect.

Staunch athiests say faith can't coexist with science because there is no proof, which is what science is based on.

Not picking a side, but I think that is the general reason for the disagreement when it comes to coexistance.

There are plenty of scientists that are believers. They seem to be able to rationalize both.

 

[3TrueFans]

Dude...debates are for the audience...not the debaters.

Do you watch a presidential debate expecting one of them to suddenly say, "yeah, you're right. I think I'll vote for you instead of myself'.

But in this debate it's science vs. not science. Science vs. because the bible says so. How do you have a meaningful debate about that?

I will say the only positive to come from the debate that I can see is that Bill Nye is really hammering home the need for kids to be interested in science and the need for future scientists to answer questions that we don't know the answers to currently.

 

[3TrueFans]

You can't. It always ends with the argument "If you weren't there, how did you know it happened?"

That's really a huge amount of what this Ham guy is saying. We didn't see it so we can't know what happened, therefore god. Ken Ham is the super ultra conservative religious kind of guy that I think will ultimately turn people away from religion, or at least away from using religion to try to take the place of scientific research and observation.