BLUM: Paul Rhoads deserves another climb

Nuts4Cy

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2009-2012. Would have thought a diehard Cyclone fan like yourself would have remembered those four seasons.

So we are climbing back to mediocrity? When I think of climbing the mountain, I think of winning the Big 12 or competing for a championship in November. Not going 6-6
 

kentkel

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I also don't completely agree with Blum - but I sure would love to be wrong on this. To get things started right for 2015, I better see CPR coaching this team like UNI is our Superbowl. I want us to start out with a 14 point lead & put on the gas pedal - not slam the breaks and shoving it into reverse. I do not want us starting out any more seasons losing to these MVC teams -- that is unacceptable!!
 

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I have been on record saying I think it's time to move on and get rid of CPR. I just think there are two sides of the debate, both with good reason. Blum stated the side I don't necessarily agree with, but he did it very well. And at Iowa State, making a bowl game is a huge accomplishment. Only four coaches have gone to bowl games, Majors, Bruce, McCarney, and Rhoads. Two of those guys won National Titles. Another had the season with the most wins in school history, and reinvigorated the football program. I simply giving credit where credit is due.

while true todays bowl standards are different than back in the day, heck even Walden would have had us in a bowl!
 

CYphyllis

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Or yours are way too high. Rhoads has 25% of ISU's bowl appearances.

In an era in which they play more games in season and it takes less wins to become bowl eligible. Not really that amazing of an accomplishment when you add the necessary facts to it.

Bowls are nice and all and they make great fodder for people trying to white knight the current situation, but let's be real here, he got matched up with a poor Minnesota team for the first one and then the team came out and played like absolute **** against the likes of Rutgers and Tulsa. Are we really supposed to look at the 2012 roster and applaud the underachievement that landed them in the Who Gives A Damn Bowl against some mid major that they ended up losing to? That seems like a complete failure to me, not exactly a shining example of how good things were prior to these last two seasons.
 

benjay

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It wasn't Messingham's fault. His players just weren't making acrobatic highlight-reel plays.
 

Kurttr

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To suggest that there was ever a climb is more of a testament to Chizik's ineptness as a coach than to Rhoads' success. Rhoads did build some great energy in the program by getting a big upset or two in each of his first ~four years. However, those teams were built on Chizik's recruits and were very inconsistent. Unfortunately, what we've gotten the last two years is consistently bad. When you watch the team on the field, do you really think you see a well coached team? I don't see it, and the talent has regressed as well - the results reflect both those things. This, six years into the program. It's actually been a steady regression after year 1.

Any comparison to Bill Snyder and K State is completely unreasonable. No need to comment further on that.

As I see it - Rhoads is getting another year because of one or both of these reasons:

1) Jamie remains loyal to a fault
2) It's evidently financially imprudent to let him go this year (which is quite a statement when you look at the ticket revenue that likely will be lost in the next couple years; maybe a new coach in 2016 can limit the ticket losses to one year; if so, I can see how the finances make sense to keep the poor status quo for another year.)

While our defense has been decent at times, it's not been that strong during these years. And, the offense has been inept during Rhoads' entire tenure. We're trying to run a system built on speed without top-tier speed.

Paul Rhoads seems like a great guy, so I do hope he turns it around next year. But, I don't expect that to be the case. Hope I'm wrong.
 

CykoAGR

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It wasn't Messingham's fault. His players just weren't making acrobatic highlight-reel plays.

Well once they got the new FB only facility they finally had ESPN so they could watch Sports Center to figure out what those plays looked liked. Didn't help.
 

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Yeah the title seems to imply there was a previous climb. When was that exactly? I recall four years of plateau using someone else's players followed by two years of rolling *** over tea kettle down a massive mountain.
 

benjay

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Yeah the title seems to imply there was a previous climb. When was that exactly? I recall four years of plateau using someone else's players followed by two years of rolling *** over tea kettle down a massive mountain.

I guess he's saying 2012 should have been a peak. It just wasn't because of the decisions Rhoads made. It doesn't really support his case. :p
 

aeroclone

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So, his best team underachieved, his teams have sucked the big one in close games, he's screwed up on the biggest hires, he's had a history of recruiting misses, and now he is flailing around desperately hoping some JUCOs can save the defense and subsequently his ***. Certainly sounds like a guy that just needs more time, and not a guy that has an established track record of failure. I'm staying firmly entrenched in the pitchfork crowd.

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How anyone can list all those mistakes and then conclude we should keep him, is beyond me. The plan for success in ISU football is easy. Secure a superior head coach (Majors, Bruce) that can recruit better than our opponents. THEN when you have this coach,..... give him what he wants to get him to stay. That is where we failed in the past. There are so many possibilities for good head coachs, go get one and start building. Instead what we have is clear - next year will be another train wreck. Sad really.

Are you delusional? We will never land big name head coach. We all love ISU and Ames Iowa because we grew up ISU fans, and have connections/ties to Ames. But if you think we can land a big name coach, that will come to Ames, and out recruit our big 12 opponents that are located within the states the majority of recruits come from you are a complete fool.

Can we go into Texas and take recruits from Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU, not likely. Yes we get guys from Texas but we don’t get 4 and 5 star recruits from there. We live in Iowa folks, sadly, our state as a whole only produces 2 or 3, 4 and 5 star recruits every year. We also have to compete against the freaking Hawkeyes and for some reason UNI to get those recruits.

Coaching Football in Ames Iowa is one of, if not the hardest places in the country to be successful. I am not saying we as a fan base need to be ok with 2 atrocious seasons, but we are NOT Nebraska, Michigan, Alabama.

When CPR started we were in the gutter, and had been there many times before, and we will be there again regardless of who our head coach is.

And for the love of GOD, stop comparing CPR to Hoiberg. Basketball and Football are sports at opposite end of the spectrum. In basketball 1 or 2 badass players can change your entire season. Whereas is football 1 or 2 guys won’t likely impact the game that much.

I fully support Pollard, CPR and the entire Cyclone coaching family. Give CPR your support for one more season, if not for CPR then do it for the players, they don’t deserve to read all this negative smack talk. They work very hard to entertain our fan base, and deserve better from all of you.

I don’t know about you guys, but I remember growing up and watching ISU Football, and expecting to lose every game, because Nebraska, OU, Iowa, Texas, Texas A&M would just embarrass us every year. Remember when we lost to Iowa 16 years in a row? I sure as hell do. It was hard to remain a Cyclone fan when ALL of your friends were Hawkeye fans and throw the losing streak in your face all the time.

Have faith, CPR has given ISU hope. We might not have a winning record, but we are in most games, which is something we never used to be able to say.

#OneMoreSeason #StopThrowingCPRUnderTheBus #SupportOurUniversity
 

brentblum

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Thanks for reading all. Reasonable people can come to different conclusions.
 

KnappShack

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I need a hype machine/PR guy behind me like Blum.

If he can try to shine this turd of a dumpster fire he can spin anything
 

benjay

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Thanks for reading all. Reasonable people can come to different conclusions.

It's a good read and I want to agree, but part of me can only see the false hope we all bought into instead of optimism for the future.

Either way, there isn't much difference between the "glass half full" vs "glass half empty" crowds. One is expecting another 2-3 win season and the other is hoping for 5-6. It's bad versus really bad. Neither provide justification to keep Rhoads, imo.

I do think Mangino's the real deal though. Hopefully he sticks with us and at least gives us a reason to watch the games.
 

CyCloned

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CPR has a ton of work to do, and I still think there needs to be major changes on the defensive coaching staff, but if JP fires CPR now, without any real plan to replace him, the next guy will be walking into a total train wreck that will take 4-5 years to recover from. If CPR turns things around, than the program will be fine. If it falters, it will not be in any worse shape than if you fired CPR today. Basically it is all on Paul, and I am sure he knows that.
 

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