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Clemson all day. You should always hope to play a “name brand” in a bowl. Add to that, one that has 2 championships in the last 5 years? Yes, please.

7-6 or 8-5 is meaningless. Playing with the “big boys” is what elevates programs.
 

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Too many of y'all sound like you'd rather play the University of North Texas (6-6) just so we could get a bowl win, and an 8-5 season. Like this ISU team is crap, and isn't very good.

On the contrary... Despite our 7-5 record, this is still a very good football team. And I'm sure they'd rather face Clemson. And it would be a great matchup and a close game, I can almost bet on that. I'd much rather have the chance to beat a name brand.

If we wanted a better record, we had plenty of chances during the season. It is what it is. Now it's bowl season. One game. Let's get it. Clemson.
In a word, no. It has nothing to do with not thinking this team is good and realizing the reality of who we are. We don't have an elite offensive line. We don't have elite skill players to keep their safeties out of the box,.... and they have an elite defense.

We are a good team yes but its hard to call the 7-5 record a fluke because the problems that persisted much of the season didn't seem to totally be fixed (starting slow, etc). Its one thing to have faith and belief that we're a good team and bleed Cardinal and gold... its another to have blinders on and not acknowledge the possibility that a matchup with Clemson results in a Mack Truck going down a one way road.

as you say, we had chances to prove to have a better record during the season. we are who we are. and that's a solid, good football team. maybe we do compete with Clemson and we're all wrong, thats a possibility. but if you're asking what team has the greatest possible "I'm gonna beat you A" game that we might play? That answer is most certainly Clemson








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lol, no. playing the big boys is not what elevates programs. Winning, conference titles, winning meaningful bowl games, recruiting well, etc... that's what elevates programs.

If playing the big boys is what elevated programs than Duke, and Vanderbilt would be great programs since Vandy gets to play Florida, Georgia , and sometimes LSU / Alabama every single season. Rutgers would be amazing because they play Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State every single year.


Winning is what elevates programs. Playing the "big boys" and losing does very little. Had Oregon curbed stomped us in the Fiesta Bowl that would have not meant much but the fact that we won... that mattered. And how did we get there? By winning games. Winning is by far the main that elevates your program. You win, you go to better bowls, you play better teams and than maybe you win some more. It comes down to W's.


Do we have a chance against Clemson? Sure, there's a chance. there's just also a huge BUT that exists that it feels like is being ignored. If you're some kid thinking about colleges in a year or two and you see a team get blown out versus a bigger name school - do you think man, it was cool they got to play them or , man, that was a bad matchup?
 
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In a word, no. It has nothing to do with not thinking this team is good and realizing the reality of who we are. We don't have an elite offensive line. We don't have elite skill players to keep their safeties out of the box,.... and they have an elite defense.

We are a good team yes but its hard to call the 7-5 record a fluke because the problems that persisted much of the season didn't seem to totally be fixed (starting slow, etc). Its one thing to have faith and belief that we're a good team and bleed Cardinal and gold... its another to have blinders on and not acknowledge the possibility that a matchup with Clemson results in a Mack Truck going down a one way road.

as you say, we had chances to prove to have a better record during the season. we are who we are. and that's a solid, good football team. maybe we do compete with Clemson and we're all wrong, thats a possibility. but if you're asking what team has the greatest possible "I'm gonna beat you A" game that we might play? That answer is most certainly Clemson








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lol, no. playing the big boys is not what elevates programs. Winning, conference titles, winning meaningful bowl games, recruiting well, etc... that's what elevates programs.

If playing the big boys is what elevated programs than Duke, and Vanderbilt would be great programs since Vandy gets to play Florida, Georgia , and sometimes LSU / Alabama every single season. Rutgers would be amazing because they play Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State every single year.


Winning is what elevates programs. Playing the "big boys" and losing does very little. Had Oregon curbed stomped us in the Fiesta Bowl that would have not meant much but the fact that we won... that mattered. And how did we get there? By winning games. Winning is by far the main that elevates your program. You win, you go to better bowls, you play better teams and than maybe you win some more. It comes down to W's.


Do we have a chance against Clemson? Sure, there's a chance. there's just also a huge BUT that exists that it feels like is being ignored. If you're some kid thinking about colleges in a year or two and you see a team get blown out versus a bigger name school - do you think man, it was cool they got to play them or , man, that was a bad matchup?
To the bolded part, how does this qualify as a meaningful bowl game? Not a single person outside of the two schools that play in the Cheez It Bowl are going to remember this game or care about it come next bowl season. NY6 bowls are pretty much the only ones people would even remotely remember unless you are a hard core college football junkie. Even then it has to be something super memorable in the game itself.

Here's the top-10 of most bowl wins all time:


  • Alabama (35-24-3)
  • Southern Cal (34-17) Yeah they've been doing just swell the last decade
  • Georgia (28-19-3)
  • Oklahoma (28-19-1)
  • Penn State (28-15-2) Does well but aside from a year here and there, meh
  • Texas (27-24-2) Whew really kicking ass out there
  • Tennessee (26-24-2) HAHAHAHA talk about a has been program
  • Florida State (25-15-2) Maybe the 4th best team in their state currently


I love how everyone just assumes we would beat NC State too. We lost to WVU and Texas Tech yet beat a potential CFP team in Oklahoma State. Get some guts and go for the challenge.

And yes beating big name programs elevates your brand and team, not winning mediocre bowl games. Don't think we will but the only chance to even sniff the final top-25 (which does have an effect on leveling up imo) is to beat a team like Clemson. 8-5 isn't going to get us in if that win is against the other options that's for sure.
 
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Honestly I don't really care, my hope was to get back to Dallas and we didn't do it. That said Clemson would give this game a little more juice at least for our fanbase. I literally know nothing about NC State.

If I'm guessing, playing a team like Clemson would get some of the players to be a little more pumped up.
 

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Honestly I don't really care, my hope was to get back to Dallas and we didn't do it. That said Clemson would give this game a little more juice at least for our fanbase. I literally know nothing about NC State.

If I'm guessing, playing a team like Clemson would get some of the players to be a little more pumped up.
NC State is a solid team this year, and we could very easily lose that. How awful would that be? Lose to NC State or Clemson? I would choose the latter. The risk-reward is greater. No bowl game is automatic. I mean we have lost to Tulsa and Rutgers in bowl games for crying out loud, so it's just funny that if we play anyone other than Clemson let's pencil in a win. Someone said it earlier I guarantee the players would want a shot at Clemson, and this senior class deserves that, so I will go right along with what they want.
 

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To the bolded part, how does this qualify as a meaningful bowl game? Not a single person outside of the two schools that play in the Cheez It Bowl are going to remember this game or care about it come next bowl season. NY6 bowls are pretty much the only ones people would even remotely remember unless you are a hard core college football junkie. Even then it has to be something super memorable in the game itself.

Here's the top-10 of most bowl wins all time:


  • Alabama (35-24-3)
  • Southern Cal (34-17) Yeah they've been doing just swell the last decade
  • Georgia (28-19-3)
  • Oklahoma (28-19-1)
  • Penn State (28-15-2) Does well but aside from a year here and there, meh
  • Texas (27-24-2) Whew really kicking ass out there
  • Tennessee (26-24-2) HAHAHAHA talk about a has been program
  • Florida State (25-15-2) Maybe the 4th best team in their state currently


I love how everyone just assumes we would beat NC State too. We lost to WVU and Texas Tech yet beat a potential CFP team in Oklahoma State. Get some guts and go for the challenge.

And yes beating big name programs elevates your brand and team, not winning mediocre bowl games. Don't think we will but the only chance to even sniff the final top-25 (which does have an effect on leveling up imo) is to beat a team like Clemson. 8-5 isn't going to get us in if that win is against the other options that's for sure.
Beating a 9-3 win NC State that beat Clemson? yeah, that could get us into the Top 25.

It has nothing to do with guts - everything to do with wanting a good matchup. Clemson is a bad matchup.

North Carolina State - who is ranked higher BTW than Clemson - has a great offense and a leaky defense. That is a good matchup.

Clemson with an average offense and an elite defense - not as good.



Penn State - Has 3 11 win season, 1 9 win season last 6 years
USC - 4 10 ten seasons, 1 9 win season and 2 eight win seasons last 10 years
Florida State - Currently, yes, a mess but - 5 10 win seasons, 1 9 win season and national championship last decade
Tennessee - yes, currently not great but do possess 2 9 win seasons, and an 8 win season
Texas - again, a current dumpster fire but in the last decade - 3 8 win seasons, 1 9 win season and 10 win season



Essentially every other seasons these programs are winning 8 games or more over the past decade. Some are down more recently than that (Texas, Tennessee, Florida State with USC being incredibly up and down) but those programs still matter. The idea that they are not relevant or have fallen off a cliff is not entirely accurate. Just about every program in the nation NOT NAMED those would love to have those records over a decade.








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also the idea that no one will remember makes me laugh. The fans? No, they won't care. the national media ? No, they won't care. but the players? Will they be able to use a win as a spring board into the off-season and spring ball riding a wave of momentum with a win? Yeah.
 
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Too many of y'all sound like you'd rather play the University of North Texas (6-6) just so we could get a bowl win, and an 8-5 season. Like this ISU team is crap, and isn't very good.

On the contrary... Despite our 7-5 record, this is still a very good football team. And I'm sure they'd rather face Clemson. And it would be a great matchup and a close game, I can almost bet on that. I'd much rather have the chance to beat a name brand.

If we wanted a better record, we had plenty of chances during the season. It is what it is. Now it's bowl season. One game. Let's get it. Clemson.

I’d rather play Kansas again in a bowl to get 8 wins. I’ve seen ISU play enough talented teams in my life. You know what I haven’t seen a lot of? 8 win seasons
 

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In a word, no. It has nothing to do with not thinking this team is good and realizing the reality of who we are. We don't have an elite offensive line. We don't have elite skill players to keep their safeties out of the box,.... and they have an elite defense.

We are a good team yes but its hard to call the 7-5 record a fluke because the problems that persisted much of the season didn't seem to totally be fixed (starting slow, etc). Its one thing to have faith and belief that we're a good team and bleed Cardinal and gold... its another to have blinders on and not acknowledge the possibility that a matchup with Clemson results in a Mack Truck going down a one way road.

as you say, we had chances to prove to have a better record during the season. we are who we are. and that's a solid, good football team. maybe we do compete with Clemson and we're all wrong, thats a possibility. but if you're asking what team has the greatest possible "I'm gonna beat you A" game that we might play? That answer is most certainly Clemson








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lol, no. playing the big boys is not what elevates programs. Winning, conference titles, winning meaningful bowl games, recruiting well, etc... that's what elevates programs.

If playing the big boys is what elevated programs than Duke, and Vanderbilt would be great programs since Vandy gets to play Florida, Georgia , and sometimes LSU / Alabama every single season. Rutgers would be amazing because they play Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State every single year.


Winning is what elevates programs. Playing the "big boys" and losing does very little. Had Oregon curbed stomped us in the Fiesta Bowl that would have not meant much but the fact that we won... that mattered. And how did we get there? By winning games. Winning is by far the main that elevates your program. You win, you go to better bowls, you play better teams and than maybe you win some more. It comes down to W's.


Do we have a chance against Clemson? Sure, there's a chance. there's just also a huge BUT that exists that it feels like is being ignored. If you're some kid thinking about colleges in a year or two and you see a team get blown out versus a bigger name school - do you think man, it was cool they got to play them or , man, that was a bad matchup?

Were never going to have any “elite” units. We only get one or two elite individuals out of 85 a season if we’re lucky. So you just want to play SMU or San Diego St every bowl?
 
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Beating a 9-3 win NC State that beat Clemson? yeah, that could get us into the Top 25.

It has nothing to do with guts - everything to do with wanting a good matchup. Clemson is a bad matchup.

North Carolina State - who is ranked higher BTW than Clemson - has a great offense and a leaky defense. That is a good matchup.

Clemson with an average offense and an elite defense - not as good

Really depends on how team shows up.
Your description of Clemson sounds like a carbon copy of Okie State, most sound ISU game of year.
Description of NCS sounds a lot like WVU or Tech... lost both in shootouts.
Team has the talent to beat anyone... have no idea which one is a better matchup.
 
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and their entire defensive front decides not to play. if we thought we had problems blocking Oklahoma... uh. well. Can quarterbacks wear kevlar? I'm not entirely joking. 2nd in team defense, 5th in sacks, 10 in tackles for loss, 2nd in red zone defense, 2nd in scoring defense, etc....


Now its a great opportunity, yes. But that defense at Clemson is only 2nd best when you compare it to Georgia - most years it'd probably be the best defense in college football.


Now if Venables is gone or there are a lot of opt outs, then that changes things. But straight up? Yeah. That defense is legit.

Their defense may be > our offense

but

Our defense is >>> their offense

Not saying it's a sure win, but it's definitely not a sure loss.
 
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Drawing an SEC team in the Houston Bowl isn't a big enough matchup?
I struggle with burning vacation right out of the chute for a bowl in Houston. I'd choose any of the other bowls, personally.
 

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Were never going to have any “elite” units. We only get one or two elite individuals out of 85 a season if we’re lucky. So you just want to play SMU or San Diego St every bowl?
Nope. I have no problem facing Clemson. I'm just not going to at the same time we play them unless its in the playoff or act like we match up well with them. Anyone, anywhere is fine with me. I'm just not going to ignore what is and isn't a bad match up.

We matched up well with Oregon. We match up well with Oklahoma. We IMO would match up well with a potentially teams like Ole Miss and USC, Penn State, etc... but on paper, without knowing whose opted out and what Venable's status is... that is not a matchup that favors us. Pure and simple.
 
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Really depends on how team shows up.
Your description of Clemson sounds like a carbon copy of Okie State, most sound ISU game of year.
Description of NCS sounds a lot like WVU or Tech... lost both in shootouts.
Team has the talent to beat anyone... have no idea which one is a better matchup.
Not a bad analogy except Clemson is better than Okie State's defense. Offensively - I would agree, somewhat similar to Okie State. But Clemson for 99% of the year has been Okie State's defense and then some. Clemson's strength defensively is where our weakness is. At least based on the last month of the season.


Can we win? Sure. Is it impossible? No. Again, its exciting if we play them... but I'm not going to wish for it. Because based on that logic, why do we schedule SEMO? Or UNLV?
 

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Winning is what builds a program, not playing the big boys. How did Snyder get KState good? They played lots of bad teams in non-con and built their wins. You can sell winning to recruits. Try selling, "We're getting our @$s kicked but at least it's against good teams!"
 

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Not a bad analogy except Clemson is better than Okie State's defense. Offensively - I would agree, somewhat similar to Okie State. But Clemson for 99% of the year has been Okie State's defense and then some. Clemson's strength defensively is where our weakness is. At least based on the last month of the season.


Can we win? Sure. Is it impossible? No. Again, its exciting if we play them... but I'm not going to wish for it. Because based on that logic, why do we schedule SEMO? Or UNLV?

Ok Sts defense is better statistically.