Bubu Suing ISU

[ImJustKCClone]

Wasn't Leath's whole issue lack of explicit affirmative consent as required by the student conduct code, which is a different standard than the Iowa criminal law standard?

But is that standard applied equally, or was Bubu singled out?

I dislike being drunk and unable to control my actions, and my opinion is that sex is best when shared in a committed relationship, and hookups tend to be a bad idea. However, I'm not naive enough to think that single college students out partying share my reservations. My guess is that hookups happen every night, and I doubt if anyone is recording or writing express affirmative consent. Yet none of them receive the scrutiny and punishments that Bubu received.

It was particularly odd to me that Bubu was apparently considered a danger when on the basketball team, but was not considered to present a danger to all of the coeds he encountered when he was allowed to remain a student.

 

[SpokaneCY]

I was going to say one girl has seen it but technically your mom is a woman not a girl. You should probably put that thing away when she brings your clean laundry in the room.

How many sticky socks can 1 Mom clean?

 

[MeowingCows]

How many sticky socks can 1 Mom clean?

A mother's love has no limits...

 

[ImJustKCClone]

So, getting drunk means that someone deserves to be raped? Getting drunk is not a criminal offense. Penetrating someone who is too drunk to consent, on the other hand, is.

No, that is absolutely NOT what I said, Angie. You gave the woman a pass on bad decisions (like texting Bubu and meeting up with him) because she was drunk. Per statements made, he was also drunk and made bad decisions.

No means no. Did she say no?

 

[ISUCubswin]

Seems like some of you think having sex in college is a sin.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Does she still cut your steak up for ya buddy?

Are steak-ums REALLY steak though?

 

[ISUCubswin]

No, that is absolutely NOT what I said, Angie. You gave the woman a pass on bad decisions (like texting Bubu and meeting up with him) because she was drunk. Per statements made, he was also drunk and made bad decisions.

No means no. Did she say no?

She encouraged it hardcore.

 

[carvers4math]

No means no. Did she say no?

That is not the issue for the student conduct code and federal requirements.

The issue is did she explicitly say yes?

 

[The_Architect]

 

[ISUCubswin]

So, getting drunk means that someone deserves to be raped? Getting drunk is not a criminal offense. Penetrating someone who is too drunk to consent, on the other hand, is.

Court records show she was texting him throughout the day, not just that night. So unless she was day drinking, I don't think saying she was drunk would be a good enough excuse. She was asking for it before then. If she even was drunk.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

She encouraged it hardcore.

Actually, we don't know that any more than we know that she said no.

 

[isufbcurt]

That is not the issue for the student conduct code and federal requirements.

The issue is did she explicitly say yes?

While I know this is the standard, how many girls have ever explicitly said yes?

 

[SpokaneCY]

No, I think he was right. Most threads don't victim blame and call sex "consensual" when a female was so drunk she couldn't stand up straight, and two dudes still double-teamed her.

I agree with CyDude - lol at Bubu losing opportunities due to ISU. He was a walk-on who couldn't get a scholarship anywhere else, we gave him a scholarship, which he lost by being an idiot. Whether or not it was rape, he was an idiot.

Mike Taylor didn't whine and complain because McDermott kicked him out for ganking cough syrup. Later on he praised ISU and the decision, calling himself stupid. Some people just are a little better at self-reflection than others.

Blaming the victim and rationalizing the accused. For the victim, 1 inconsistency in her story told many times during a horrifically emotional time makes her a liar. The benefit of the doubt has to go to the woman. Sorry but I'm old-fashioned that way. And I know all too well what being in the moment feels like and how things go hay-wire with all parties.

Leath did the right thing for the most part. No reason Bubu "deserved" to play basketball at ISU though.

 

[carvers4math]

While I know this is the standard, how many girls have ever explicitly said yes?

Every ISU student has to do the online training on this and knows the requirement. Whether they follow it is up to them.

 

[MeowingCows]

Blaming the victim and rationalizing the accused. For the victim, 1 inconsistency in her story told many times during a horrifically emotional time makes her a liar. The benefit of the doubt has to go to the woman. Sorry but I'm old-fashioned that way. And I know all too well what being in the moment feels like and how things go hay-wire with all parties.

Leath did the right thing for the most part. No reason Bubu "deserved" to play basketball at ISU though.

Palo going after ISU aside, I have a feeling that it was a little bigger issue than "1 inconsistency" that caused her case to fall apart and also consequently lose a defamation case over it.

 

[SpokaneCY]

She was asking for it before then. If she even was drunk.

That was a common excuse used 20 years ago. I find that offensive without full knowledge of what transpired.

 

[ISUCubswin]

That was a common excuse used 20 years ago. I find that offensive without full knowledge of what transpired.

Couldve sworn I saw court records showing they had been texting all day planning a meet up

I may be mistaken and apologize for all, but I thought the case was cell phone records showed she was asking for it. Maybe she was just asking for him to come over. Idk

 

[LindenCy]

Court records show she was texting him throughout the day, not just that night. So unless she was day drinking, I don't think saying she was drunk would be a good enough excuse. She was asking for it before then. If she even was drunk.

I know you may not mean it that way, but just read these two sentences out loud.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Full disclosure here - I have experience in the past with a former friend, a married woman who was out "with the girls", got drunk, willingly slept with a guy, and then decided to cry rape after the fact to "protect her marriage". She put that guy through hell. But because of this, I know for a fact that NOT ALL women who say they were raped were indeed raped. There was also the case of the Duke Lacrosse players, in case my anecdotal "evidence" is unconvincing.

This is why we should try people in courts of law, with real evidence and a dispassionate judge presiding, rather than determining guilt or innocence in media sources, either news or social.

 

[bawbie]

Couldve sworn I saw court records showing they had been texting all day planning a meet up

I may be mistaken and apologize for all, but I thought the case was cell phone records showed she was asking for it. Maybe she was just asking for him to come over. Idk

That is completely irrelevant. She could text him "come have sex with me" and if when he shows up 10 minutes later she says "no", it's still rape.