Campbell’s Offense

[joefrog]

Not just winning season records, but winning conference records. That is currently being undervalued in his overall evaluation.

That's because it should be undervalued. Campbell is coaching in the weakest conference ISU has found itself in since probably the 1950s.

As for coathing candidates, Tyson Helton WKU, Curt Cignetti James Madison, Will Stein Oregon Offensive Coordinator.

 

[bozclone]

Not just winning season records, but winning conference records. That is currently being undervalued in his overall evaluation.

I agree, in comparing our records over the last 20 years it is obvious the impact Matt Campbell has made to our program. We had zero winning records in conference before Matt got here. We have had 5 since his arrival.

 

[joefrog]

This is the biggest canard of this whole thread -- no one I can see is calling for MC's ouster.

And (even if they were, which they're not) hiring coaches IS the AD's job. Why would that be a bad answer?

I am.

Loved the hire, but I've grown tired of his pathetic offensive gameplans, time management, and personality.

I want the guy that took risks and played to win back from 2017.

 

[joefrog]

I agree, in comparing our records over the last 20 years it is obvious the impact Matt Campbell has made to our program. We had zero winning records in conference before Matt got here. We have had 5 since his arrival.

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Imagine comparing Campbell's situation to Walden's. Or McCarney's.

Funding and facilities are near peer. Conference is noticeably weaker. Heck, Rhoads faced a much more difficult conference.

 

[bozclone]

That's because it should be undervalued. Campbell is coaching in the weakest conference ISU has found itself in since probably the 1950s.

As for coathing candidates, Tyson Helton WKU, Curt Cignetti James Madison, Will Stein Oregon Offensive Coordinator.

That is an ignorant statement. There is no way the conference has been weaker the last 7 years vs previous years. That is just plan stupid to say that.

 

[Jer]

That is an ignorant statement. There is no way the conference has been weaker the last 7 years vs previous years. That is just plan stupid to say that.

The Big 12 North that we almost won a few times was dog **** at the time we almost won it.

 

[Statefan10]

That is an ignorant statement. There is no way the conference has been weaker the last 7 years vs previous years. That is just plan stupid to say that.

The conference has had great parity over the last few years outside of OU going on that winning streak, but even so, they were playing a different team every year. There's been a different team in the championship ever since we got rid of the divisions, and we've had 6 different teams play for a conference title in the last 3 seasons.

 

[Statefan10]

This is the biggest canard of this whole thread -- no one I can see is calling for MC's ouster.

Even if they were (which they're not) hiring coaches IS the AD's job. Why would that be a bad answer?

There are a lot of people insinuating that not only is Matt Campbell not right for the job or should have the right to bounce back, but they're saying that he hasn't been that good. I'm all for saying that Matt and the team royally dropped the ball in 2021, which is where I believe a lot of the frustration is still stemming from, but it's asinine to say that he's not been that good here.

 

[madguy30]

This is the biggest canard of this whole thread -- no one I can see is calling for MC's ouster.

Even if they were (which they're not) hiring coaches IS the AD's job. Why would that be a bad answer?

Because if you're ready to move on, as is at least implied after several posts about how bad things are, there should be an idea of who's gonna do better tight?

 

[LonelyCyKC]

So. We have a new OC, except he has already been on staff for six years. He was a star quarterback, but up to this year his assignment has been running backs.

The last few years Kempt has been on the sidelines during games helping Purdy and Dekkers, but was not there Saturday.

Coach Campbell is very loyal. Brought his entire coaching team, and graduate assistants, with him from Toledo and has favored promoting from within rather than hiring coaches from outside. This has limited his ability to adjust to changes in the game, as the "We did that ten years ago and it did not work, so it isn't worth trying it again now" attitude is a problem.

However, he wins more than he loses, which is rare at this level of football. Look at what happened to Nebraska after they fired Bo Pelini. (9 years 38 total wins). So, be careful of what you wish for, because it may not be what you get.

 

[CoKane]

That's because it should be undervalued. Campbell is coaching in the weakest conference ISU has found itself in since probably the 1950s.

As for coathing candidates, Tyson Helton WKU, Curt Cignetti James Madison, Will Stein Oregon Offensive Coordinator.

I generally agree with you but that top part is about 4 bridges too far.

 

[CoKane]

So. We have a new OC, except he has already been on staff for six years. He was a star quarterback, but up to this year his assignment has been running backs.

The last few years Kempt has been on the sidelines during games helping Purdy and Dekkers, but was not there Saturday.

Coach Campbell is very loyal. Brought his entire coaching team, and graduate assistants, with him from Toledo and has favored promoting from within rather than hiring coaches from outside. This has limited his ability to adjust to changes in the game, as the "We did that ten years ago and it did not work, so it isn't worth trying it again now" attitude is a problem.

However, he wins more than he loses, which is rare at this level of football. Look at what happened to Nebraska after they fired Bo Pelini. (9 years 38 total wins). So, be careful of what you wish for, because it may not be what you get.

Slight correction here, Nate also did the WR room. Which was a bit of a red flag because our non transfer guys for the most part have been pretty soft

 

[CoKane]

Because if you're ready to move on, as is at least implied after several posts about how bad things are, there should be an idea of who's gonna do better tight?

I personally want Campbell to be here but actually change some stuff up instead of losing games the same exact way every time

We're really not that far from winning 8 or 9 games most years. But dropping the Fiesta Bowl season the last 3 we've had were marred by poor offensive showings, mental mistakes, question coaching decisions, and losing nearly all our close or toss up games.

 

[LAClone]

Campbell’s had eight years to learn clock management and offensive schemes/play calling. I want him to stay, but if he can’t learn the basics, why the hell is he our HC?

1) Learn how to actually manage a football game;
2) Delegate to someone who actually knows how to manage a football game; or
3) Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Again, it been eight years. How are we not at (3)?

 

[Lineup]

we can't buy players so MC just ridiing along

 

[Gunnerclone]

They finally hired a special teams coach after how many years without one and many years of poor special teams play.

And just by our pure luck it seems our ST’s are improved. Don’t change anything else though….it won’t work.

 

[t-noah]

If people remember than they wouldn't feel like its beginning to feel that way. Jesus, we weren't even competitive in so many games.

FFS he fired a friend and hired a new OC and O-line coach. Give it some time. This stuff isn't corrected over night.

Can we just discuss without manufactured outrage? Thanks in advanced.

Thank you gentleman! I need to work on my brevity as well. These comments do work for me. MC still has a lot of good will. Those of us who are older do remember.

Fans be fans, including me. And that's OK too. We all want more.

 

[t-noah]

Yeah I agree with the frustration - especially on the offense. Part of my comment was also referring to the people who were talking about Campbell not recruiting good enough players even though he has been winning / putting players in the NFL significantly better than his predecessors.

How about everyone stops overreacting to a game that is always going to be a bad match up for the cyclones?

Speaking of this, what are the thoughts about this game (ISU v Iowa) continuing? I think both sides would want it to continue if there weren't any outside pressure.

The pressure I'm thinking about is what will happen to this game if and when the B1G goes to a 10 game conference schedule and have they announced this already? What if the Big 12 does the same? This game then might be in serious jeopardy.

 

[Iluvteak]

Another thing I saw on rewatch, Becht seemed to be so focused on getting the ball out quick that he probably missed a fair number of these opportunities. One reason it seems like there were no deep routes is because Becht nearly always had the ball out before anyone going downfield had gotten 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.

For as many people complaining about the route tree, it seemed to me that the routes were there. It's just that either the pass protection wasn't there, or Becht was throwing as if the pass protection wasn't there.

I just re-watched it too. Hawk LB’s and secondary just sat on our routes. Did they steal our playbook ! Likely we are just running the same plays as the last 5 years. We lack quickness and speed as well. How in the hell will we compete with the Big12 speed. Ughhhh. The freshman TE who is 6’7 is a bright spot tho.

 

[PantherCyclone]

I just looked at the numbers, and we have one completion this year over 16 yards. Of the 5 completions that have gone for 14+ yards, 3 are for TDs. Either we choose not to make other teams respect our ability to go vertical, we don't have the scheme to go vertical, or we don't have the talent to do so. If it is anything but lack of talent, that has to be put squarely on the coaching staff.