No just stop allowing players to intentionally draw charges. Offensive fouls should still be called.
Can we get rid of the charge call?
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No just stop allowing players to intentionally draw charges. Offensive fouls should still be called.
What? Intentionally draw charges? Do you read the words you are typing on your screen???
This is exactly right! The circle only applies to a guy HELPING out on defense. Thus, you can't slide off your guy to draw a charge under the hoop from an offensive player that beat HIS defender. That's it...
If YOUR guy backs you down and throws an elbow into your side, moves you out of the way and dunks on you, it is still an OFFENSIVE foul no matter where your feet are. By the same token, if a guy is in transition, and you pick him up... YOU are the primary defender and there is no circle with respect to charge/block.
I guess I always assumed that often times guys slide over in front of a ball handler and plant their feet.. stand still and intentionally draw a foul.
That needs to go.
Don't bring your facts and knowledge of the rules into this thread of idiocy!!! How dare you!!
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A player is entitled to any spot on the floor. When a guy slides in front of a ball handler and sets his feet, he is entitled to that spot. It's called LEGAL GUARDING POSITION. It's been a rule FOREVER. What you are saying is that the defense must let the offense go around them because god forbid they get in front of them.
Two things:
1. Learn the rules.
2. Stop posting tonight.
Exactly. A defender has the right to his space. Take away "intentionally" drawing a charge and you have effectively made defense illegal.
Correct me if i am wrong, but i think the intent of adding the "no charge" circle was implemented to stop that Duke style move of having an off ball defender slide over and stand under the rim.
Basically, the offensive player can't get to the rim without running that guy over (even to just shoot a layup), and the off ball defender will get to that spot faster EVERY TIME. Nothing looks more ridiculous than a dude standing under the net holding his nuts waiting for a guy who actually BEAT his defender to knock him over.
By 'intentionally drawing a foul'.... i meant when the player stands still in front of another player and flops backwards at the instant of contact. years ago there was a rule that penalized players for faking getting fouled, If I remember correctly.
Dude, I know the rules... its my fault for not being clear here.
Obviously you have to allow defenders to have equal opportunity to the floor.
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Right, that's why I like the 1/2 circle in the lane.
I was referring more to defense being played outside of the lane by the primary defender.
Ever seen an official motion for a player to get up after a flop? It actually happens quite often. It's a tough call. Officials try to get it right but it's the fastest call in all of sports.
I hear what you are saying. The only problem with penalizing players for supposedly faking is that you are again asking the official to make another subjective call. Was it fake? Was it not?
I guarantee that the first time one of our guys got a T (or whatever) for a fake flop we'd be freaking out about that ref screwing us. I think it's fine the way it is. Let the officials do their jobs.
Personally, I think it would be an easier call to make if I didn't have to guess intent (fake or not). By calling a block or charge, i'm effectively making that choice already. If a dude flops, i don't call the charge. Without replay, we don't gain anything because we open up a whole new can of worms.
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Which is why that's a blocking foul. Charging is an important rule to have. It levels the playing field, like offensive pass interference.
There are a lot of problems with the charge, but they don’t need to be brought up after this game. We didn’t lose because of the two charge fouls. Royce usually complains after every call similar to scott and bubu, but I think Royce actually knows what he is talking about. Scotty’s two hand what was that really pisses me off. Get back and play some defense man.
In my day, and every ref on here is going to disagree with me, but in my day, It was explained to me by a ref that I had to establish position in front of the guy with the ball. Not just put my foot there before he did. Too many times today it seems like they love to make the call because the guy stepped in front of him. There is a huge difference between a blocking foul and a charge foul, but no one seems to notice that now adays.
And I agree with you, the call was put in place to eliminate out of control plays. Too many times it's about the guy putting his foot down first and there is a big difference between getting your foot in there first and actually establishing position. Take a look at hockey, it's a good rule to follow.
Dumb idea. That said...
We've been on the sour end of a lot of blocking and charging calls this year. I don't see how Royce charged against Mizzou. Was he out of control? No. Did he push off? No. Did he lower his shoulder? No. Did the defensive player have his feet set? No. I don't get it.
We've been on the sour end of a lot of blocking and charging calls this year. I don't see how Royce charged against Mizzou. Was he out of control? No. Did he push off? No. Did he lower his shoulder? No. Did the defensive player have his feet set? No. I don't get it.
