Has Conditt tweeted at anyone else besides Harris and Brown? Maybe he’s the good luck charm to bring Brown here.
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These are 18-22 kids, I don’t even think you can say scores that look like blowouts couldn’t be flipped. Small failures can cascade and cause major disasters. Prevent the first few small failures, and no one notices a thing. That’s what happened last year without Haliburton.
We started slow, weren’t a cohesive team while trying to replace many guys. Some of the poor play games as because we had gaps in the roster (on Prohm) and we continued to have cascading failures (on Prohm), But we never got to see the group come together and have a TH playing with the group that stomped UT.
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Shayok ran the show in KC his Sr year. Opened up a lot of eyes to his his **** making abilities. He was making everything easier for everyone else a lot of that season, not the other way around.
dont know if he tweeted but he definitely was reaching out and talking to Carton
So basically you're assuming the absolute worst. None of our guys will be eligible or we will not fill this roster with eligible talent, you don't think Blackwell and Foster will attribute much, and Jackson, Solo, Conditt and Bolton will not improve much..
Also, a problem with Prohm has been his ability to keep guys around, especially the talented ones. So in the case of Lard, Wigginton, and THT, those guys would've undoubtedly improved had they stayed on the team for more than just two seasons.
This is correct. I am not disputing this.
If Iowa State didn't have real threats on the court in Wigginton, THT, NWB, Haliburton, Shayok probably becomes easier to stop.
None of our guys will be eligible? The only guy who I said I'm not assuming he will be eligible is Harris, because...wait for it...he hasn't received a waiver and is not eligible.
I HOPE he becomes eligible. But he currently is not eligible.
Right right, I was saying in general. We are going to get a guy or two that will be eligible for next year. We're not going to roll with what we have currently and hope for the best. If all of those things you said happen then sure, I could see us being terrible. But it's still worse case scenario.
Yes, I'm planning for the season to go as this roster is currently made up. When players are added to the roster, my expectations change. As I said, 9-12 win team without Brown, 12-15 win team with Brown. Harris is eligible, expectations raise. Prohm adds guys who will be able to contribute, expectations raise.
If Brown can get help push us into the tournament, he is a program changer. Look at the 2021-22 roster. If we make it next year, the program pivots!
You’ve moved the bar several times. First it’s he cannot make us NCAA bubble (otherwise nit bubble), then it’s top half of Big 12, then equal to Shayok’s legacy. You seem to not say what you mean?
We differ in nearly every regard:
-the quality needed to make the tournament, let alone bubble
-what constitutes huge freshman impact
-what constitutes a program changer
-what is needed to change the program
-and most importantly, what we’d be without a player like Brown
There’s a much better chance next year without brown is .500 than 9 wins. And one player of Brown’s quality can easily be worth many wins. Just as adding a good P5 wing/small 4 would have greatly helped last year.
I’m not predicting every player to improve, that’s not needed. I am suggesting most of them will play better. Are you familiar with cascading failures? We had that. Several will improve. Most players that play for Prohm improve, it’s the ones that don’t that stagnate. Freshman like Tre improve. If Bolton improves even slightly he’s a foundation guy. Young was improving last year, I doubt that stops. Conditt, well, that’s unclear, but he has a high ceiling.
Huge freshmen impact? We most certainly can have a couple freshman make similar impact, but with Johnson and other transfers, we don’t need to. THT’s wasn’t very good offensively as a freshman, and Haliburton was good because he avoided mistakes.
It's just easier to agree that the end is not near, it has passed and only a few posters are smart enough to know it's already over and they want to continually remind us that they are right but it will take years and many course corrections for them to "make their case".
I think reading comprehension may be an issue - please review bolded parts in your above quote that I responded to.
Then proceed to the quotes below for evidence. Read carefully.
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I just know exactly what happened and who the players were with this one. I don't expect others to know. Everyone can disagree with me if they want. That's fine but I know what really happened.
Yes, I see you moving the bar. How are you not?
Let me remind you of your first point:
”I don't think he takes us from a team on the bubble of the NIT to on the bubble of the NCAA tournament”
You then MOVED the requirement taking an 8/9 team to top-half.
Then you eventually moved to saying Brown can’t take a 9-12 win team to such bubble.
Along the way, you took the analogy I provided with Shayok and moved it to Shayok’s legacy.
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So we're NOT just a single digit win team next year now? Or we ARE s single digit win team if nothing else happens? You've made some really strong statements in this thread that are really testing the boundaries of both sides of the spectrum but I'm guessing the only thing that hasn't changed is you think CSP always has and always will suck?
What is your definition of a program changer?
Not calling you out... Many think they know these stories but there are very few who KNOW/LIVED these stories. I'm none of the above - I just love a good story.
A 9-12 win team if this team, as is, takes the court next year. 9 is a single digit. That's no Harris. No Brown. You're playing 1 proven guard in the Big 12.
I don't think CSP always has and always will suck (that's a whole completely different topic) but I do think this roster, without Brown, without Harris, is not going to go out and win many games, no.
Harris becomes eligible, we get Brown, AND another impact player, we'll obviously be much better off.
But so far, we are 0/3 on that front. I hope we go 3/3 for next year, then we're talking a tournament team. But again, as of right now, Harris is not eligible, Brown is not playing for us, and we don't have another impact guy coming in. In my mind, no, we aren't more than a 9-12 win team.
