Chizzed again???

URBCLONE

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Istate's concerns are legitimate. We've budgeted spending based on maintaining and growing the revenue we've had for the past couple of years. The combination of the highest ticket prices in our history, the worst teams in our history, and the state of the economy, puts us on pretty shaky ground.

One point on this. It has been nothing short of remarkable how well the fan support has held up despite rising costs and the dearth of victories on the court/field. It's time for some steak (victories) though instead of simply sizzle (marketing).
 

TedKumsher

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Depending on how you interpret the paragraph 1.3.4, it could be 12...

http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/handbook/Bylaws.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=10410

If you have problems with CU and KSU, I guess you could take it up with the Big 12 commish...
You're being sarcastic, right? Or perhaps I'm just missing something obvious . . .

Sponsorship of Intercollegiate Sports. As an obligation of membership in the Conference, each Member Institution shall meet NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision membership requirements, which includes sponsoring a minimum of 16 varsity sports, with the minimum of six varsity sports for men and a minimum of eight varsity sports for women. Further, a Member Institution must sponsor a minimum of six (6) men’s sports and six (6) women’s sports from the list below. The required men’s sports shall be football and basketball; of the required women’s sports, one (1) shall be basketball and one (1) shall be volleyball or soccer. Institutions that currently sponsor either volleyball or soccer may not drop these sports. Conference rules shall apply to those sports in which the Conference sponsors a championship (regular season or postseason).
Mens' and Women's "versions" count separately.
 

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Question -- if Bolt/McFarland have 2 year contracts -- well they've been here 2 years already so . . .

Did they have 3 year contracts, were they extended by a year, did they have 1 and then last year get a 2 year extension . . .

Or am I just royally confused?

Or is it something to do with "fiscal year"? As in their "2 year" contract was actually "2 years and so many months to make it to a normal fiscal year break".
 

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Although being on the same side as Monty isn't necessarily a good thing, he has been consistent and correct on Pollard. Jamie has been a borderline unmitigated disaster for ISU. This financial situation is just the tip of the iceberg right now in Ames. Jamie has done some good things like raise donations and ticket sales for football, but he has also raised expenses at a greater rate and had no success hiring coaches. There is real concern in the athletic department right now about the financial situation at ISU. So much so that in the next three years some prominent sports at ISU may be in trouble. If coach Rhoads doesn't win and win very quickly, it's going to get real ugly at ISU.

Jamie's A plan is that Alvarez retires before it hits the fan at ISU.

Honestly, we would have financial concerns in the atheletic department right now no matter what Jamie did.
 

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McCarney's assistants were only paid thru the length of their contract, which was 1-year (thru May or June, 2007). The total cost of the 2006 McCarney-to-Chizik change was $675,000:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/big12/2006-11-08-mccarney-resignation_x.htm

The cost of the 2008 Chizik-to-Rhodes change is $1.75 million per the Waterloo Courier. Less the $750k Auburn buyout, ISU's cost is $1 million.

The cost of the Morgan-to-McDermott change was $1.525 million ($750,000/year x 2 years for Morgan's buyout, plus a $25k payment to UNI for hiring McDermott).

Don't forget that in his first 18 months, Pollard also replaced the wrestling, gymnastics, soccer, cross-country, track-and-field, women's golf, tennis, and softball coaches. Those are not high profile positions and the cost was not publicized, but it wasn't free.

All of this started a year after paying Larry Eustachy $960,000 to go away.

If we add it all up, ISU has spent about $5 million to fire and replace coaches from 2003-2008. You are right, it's a huge number. Embarassing, even. If that money was an investment that made our teams better, it might be worth it. But the only thing we have to show for all that money is teams that have gone from bowl games and NCAA/NIT tournaments to last place in the conference. If this were a business, the guy in charge would be fired.

Way to leave out the increased revenue that those changes made.
 

MontyBurns

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Way to leave out the increased revenue that those changes made.

Let's add up the increases:]

Replacing Chizzlestick with Rhoads has not yet led to an increase in revenue. If we're lucky, we'll get back to where we were in Chizzlestick's first year.

Replacing McCarney with Chizzlestick led to an increase of about 3,000 season tickets that lasted one year.

Replacing Morgan with McDermott led to a decrease in revenue. Season ticket sales and attendance have declined in every year of McDermott's tenure.

Replacing Eustachy with Morgan led to no increase in revenue.

Replacing the wrestling coach - no increase.

Replacing the gymanstics coach - no increase.

Replacing the soccer coach - no increase.

Replacing the cross-country coach - no increase.

Replacing the track-and-field coach - no increase.

Replacing the women's golf coach - no increase.

Replacing the tennis coach - no increase.

Replacing the softball coach - no increase.

It looks like I left out the increases in revenue because they don't exist. ISUAlum is correct -- we've invested $5 million in "upgrading" our coaching staffs and our ROI is negative.
 

LeaningCy

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Season ticket sales and attendance have declined in every year of McDermott's tenure.

WRONG

From '07-'08 season:
-ISU broke the record for most season tickets sold this year with over 10,000 season tickets purchased.
-ISU’s season attendance average was the best mark since the 1992-93 season and the sixth-best season total in school history.

2007-08 ISU Men's Basketball Season In Review - Iowa State University Athletics Official Web Site - www.CYCLONES.com - Iowa State Cyclones Sports
 

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Probably mainly due to marketing tactics. Conference victories have declined ever since. 6 in his first year, 4 last year, and I don't think we're going to hit 4 this year. And we've given Colorado their only two conference wins in the last 11 months.

Yeah, we obviously need better performance, but he wasn't talking about wins, he was talking about money. He tried to pass off his assumptions as facts, he was wrong, and he can't defend his statement because it is not true.
 

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Are companies most profitable when they first start-up, or after a few years of operation? Gotta pay if you want to play and our athletic department has to build up from being ran like a non-profit to a Division 1 school. Coaching, talent, and facilities were all sub-par, it's nice to actually show signs of a big-time school again. Now for the wins to come, and oh yes, they will.
 

MontyBurns

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Either tell us how a $13 million increase doesn't exist, or check your facts before spewing off more BS.

The argument was that we increased revenue because we blew $5 million on coaching changes. That is completely false. The false hope created by Chizzlestick's first year led to a temporary, one-year increase in sales. It was not sustainable as we saw in year two. None of the other coaching changes led to any increase in revenue. The increase is because we have raised ticket prices and donation requirements to the highest levels in our history. If our revenue sports don't turn their current trends around real soon, we're going to be in big financial trouble. We've paid a lot based on Jamie's promises, sooner or later he's going to have to deliver.
 

scyclonekid

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I am shaking my head at reading posts that suggest we leave the big twelve!! What kind of fan are you really? Did your dog die or something? I agree leaving would be a dumb move to go to a lesser conference?? What the hell?? Support this program for christ sakes. Well upgrades in facilities is just terrible how dare JP do such a thing to help out our two main programs:jimlad:
 

scyclonekid

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Better facilities= better talent= victories. The foundation has been layed now the coaches and JP know HOPE will no longer sell so I see victories for ISU.