COLUMN: Big 12 w/ another PR botch, what the league should do

88clone

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They are not "Kansas" - there's no such school. It's a state. It's like calling Wichita a state, when it's actually a city in Kansas, more appropriately called, like CCNY, Wichita City University. So, call them what they are here as well, Ku. It makes the message clear. And I believe they prefer it anyway. A double winner.

If they prefer to be called KU, then Kansas it is!
 

Clonefan94

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They are not "Kansas" - there's no such school. It's a state. It's like calling Wichita a state, when it's actually a city in Kansas, more appropriately called, like CCNY, Wichita City University. So, call them what they are here as well, Ku. It makes the message clear. And I believe they prefer it anyway. A double winner.

Cut him some slack. Everything about "Ku" is confusing. The fact that you go by KU, but call yourselves the University of Kansas makes me believe that by just saying "Kansas" it made as much sense to everyone as saying KU.
 

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I probably wouldn't have bought season tickets either.

Not sure what non-conference games have to do with conference alignment and having 10 teams versus 14. You can schedule whoever you want in non-conference. And I acknowledged there are times you get a clunker schedule like Iowa did last year-that's the way it works as teams are up and down. But you still haven't answered how adding teams means a less "sexy" schedule. My guess would be that if Oklahoma ended up some year with TTU, KSU, KU and ISU as their home games, they would say it was a pretty crappy home schedule.

I'll repeat, there is no reason why schedules get less "sexy" by adding teams, unless you add crappy teams. Add BYU and Notre Dame and schedules get less "sexy"? Add Rice and West Texas State and I'll agree that the conference schedules take a hit.
 

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Re: WILLIAMS: Big 12 with another PR botch, what league should do

Keep the nine game conference schedule in football and you're only avoiding two teams every two years instead of three.

I want the Big 10 schedule makers to make the schedule, that way any school in Iowa can miss the big boys 8 out of 10 years.
 

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Re: WILLIAMS: Big 12 with another PR botch, what league should do

Boren sucks and so does the drum he bangs all the time. Add 2 - 4 teams and be done with it. B10 showed that adding bad teams doesn't hurt your shot at the CFP and helps teams have better records.
It's crazy to me the trigger isn't be pulled. They wait till it's too late over and over again and complain afterwards.

Big 12 continues to be reactive, not proactive.


There’s no long-term vision for stability or strength through expansion, but won't embrace the only competitive identity the league has left — the round robin.
 

Judoka

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Re: WILLIAMS: Big 12 with another PR botch, what league should do

Big 12 continues to be reactive, not proactive.

Getting the championship waiver was a proactive move. There's absolutely no reason for the Big XII to do anything right now. It can sit tight, see how the Big Ten TV contract goes, and let the ACC members stew and infight. There's no reason for the Big XII to make any changes until the Grant of Rights approaches sunset.
 

Die4Cy

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I don't get the obsession with having a regional, conference based TV network. The other conferences all went to them with mixed results, and meanwhile, all the Big 12 games wound up on national TV as other conferences scrambled to put their games on their own, less accessible, channel.
 

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CW I got a big kick out of your Circle er Track around the football field at KU....Back in the day,Iowa State's Clyde Williams Field had said Track as did Mizzou's Far Out er Faurot Field..............btw so did the stadium in AustinTX....and many other fields did also.....

Now most are in the Dust Bin of history...thank goodness.................

I also think that Diahhrea of the mouth David Boren is a relic of the past and refuses to see that the future is NOT a conf network or adding teams with no geographical or financial value...............

As much as I Dislike Bob Bowlsby I will be the 1st to give him credit on this one......................

Is your period key stuck?
 

amishclone

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Only Mizzou who was in the Confederacy and Burned Down the town of Lawrence, Kansas....and people think these rivalries and hatred started only a few years ago..........lol
Guess they've got got some good in 'em after all!
 

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What OU wants the Big 12 cannot deliver which is a consistently sexy home schedule. Presumably they want into the Pac 12 south or the SEC.

We can talk about how secure the Big 12 is but what other conferences have presidents b*tching about the conference they're in? OU is quickly becoming a CU/MU scale b*tch Pac/SEC wannabe and that turned out badly for the Big 12.

I'm surprised that guy is so narrow minded. This perception that all conference networks have 'helped' their members is completely ridiculous. The payout for these networks in all, but one does not compensate the expense of them. The Big-12 has it right with tier 3 rights. I don't see these 'networks' lasting even a decade. Furthermore, this guys perspective is clouded just as Osborne's was at Nebraska. They are NOT the center of the universe. Going to another conference (especially the Pac12) leaves them on an island. If their branding diminishes in the least, they'll be relegated to nothing just as Nebraska has.

The objective of the conference should be to maintain the status quo unless they can see a larger payout than currently exists. Disney is in a precarious position. ESPN's contracts have become a fragile liability. Negotiating larger contracts next time around will not happen ... for any conference. The health of the conference is dependent on their cohesiveness, their Tier 3 rights and their marketing. Boren is peeing on that concept and from the sound of it has soiled himself in the process.
 

heitclone

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I'm surprised that guy is so narrow minded. This perception that all conference networks have 'helped' their members is completely ridiculous. The payout for these networks in all, but one does not compensate the expense of them. The Big-12 has it right with tier 3 rights. I don't see these 'networks' lasting even a decade. Furthermore, this guys perspective is clouded just as Osborne's was at Nebraska. They are NOT the center of the universe. Going to another conference (especially the Pac12) leaves them on an island. If their branding diminishes in the least, they'll be relegated to nothing just as Nebraska has.

The objective of the conference should be to maintain the status quo unless they can see a larger payout than currently exists. Disney is in a precarious position. ESPN's contracts have become a fragile liability. Negotiating larger contracts next time around will not happen ... for any conference. The health of the conference is dependent on their cohesiveness, their Tier 3 rights and their marketing. Boren is peeing on that concept and from the sound of it has soiled himself in the process.

His comments aren't really at the big 12 IMO, they are a direct shot at Texas. The only team OU wouldn't outgain with tier 3 money. The current system favors OU over every team but UT, not sure why Boren is complaining, the only reason is to take shots at the LHN and the money ESPN wasted with it.
 

CyBobby

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I don't get the obsession with having a regional, conference based TV network. The other conferences all went to them with mixed results, and meanwhile, all the Big 12 games wound up on national TV as other conferences scrambled to put their games on their own, less accessible, channel.


You make way too much sense.. btw... A lot of people Confuse Kansas with KU and Rock Chalk Jayhawk.....

The thing I like about KU is, there about the only team we can beat now..that Nebraska has left the big xii..lol
 

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From the article



The SEC and Big Ten have successful networks. The Pac-12 network has totally failed to take off and the ACC network might never exist.

Because the SEC and Big Ten were first to the party. Got in when it was new and exciting to have your own network.
 

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