CPR on the td pass from Lanning to Lazard...

[klamath632]

Totally agree.

I've been complaining for years

Could have just stopped right there.

 

[ExCyment]

This whole thing sucks. This is the same descent into madness walden had. Tries to run the triple option, blames bob utters concussions on his bandana, and then refused to play Troy Davis for no reason.

Some of these guys just fold under the stress, and it's happening to Paul now as well. Sad really, I think he is a good man, just completely losing it.

It's like the WWII movie twelve o'clock high.

 

[Cyclones423]

This clip seems appropriate considering it's Back to the Future day. How nice would it be if Jamie tweeted this video to let us know he's taking care of the future.

[video=youtube;1dq17-kXWYA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dq17-kXWYA[/video]

 

[tazclone]

The problem is, that is exactly the type of throw that should always be thrown. You have to stretch the field and take advantage of one on one mismatches like that. Force TCU to double and triple team Lazard and if they don't, throw to him every play. The fact that the quarterbacks are coached to not do that is very telling. Time for a change.

No it is not the type of throw that should always be thrown and no you don't throw it to Lazard every play. that is what happened against iowa remember.

Let's look at the stalled drives again
Drive stalled due to Warren Fumble
-Went vertical to Lazard for 27 yards, went vertical to Bundrage in the endzone well thrown ball DB had Bundrage's rt arm
Next drive
-Richardson misses wide open Ryen- obviously the right call against the defense, Thomas run then Sam throws it away due to pressure(probably trying to go vertical)
Next Drive
- 16 yard pass to Montgomery, go vertical to Lazard and get a PI called, Sam sacked on corner blitz looking to go vertical(hmmm) and fumbles
Next drive
- 8 plays 48 yards including a 21 yard Warren run set up by the short passing game because TCU was playing over the top. Looked vertical dumped to Boesen Series stalled because Montgomery got knocked on his *** on 3rd and 3 if he makes his block that is at least a first down
Next drive
-vertical to Lazard and Sam over throws him while slightly pressured, vertical to Montogmery and got a PI called, went vertical to Bundrage who ran a bad route went incomplete, Looked vertical then dumped to Montgomery who dropped it, Looked vertical on 4th and 10 and Sam scrambled and dumped to Bundrage for 11, went vertical to Lazard in the endzone and it was busted up. good throw good play by DB
Next drive
-vertical to Montgomery who had it but safety jarred it loose, deep middle to Bundrage for 21


Went vertical at least every series and most series did it more than once. It is a drunk myth that we didn't go vertical after the first quarter

 

[Bigman38]

not that this tangent is that relevant but the problem Saturday was when TCU stacked the box and rolled their coverage over to Lazard ISU had no answers. They couldn't run against that front and they couldn't take advantage of the match-ups they had at WR. To me it looked like a lot of bad coaching plus some of Sam's poor accuracy at times and decision making.

 

[joefrog]

not that this tangent is that relevant but the problem Saturday was when TCU stacked the box and rolled their coverage over to Lazard ISU had no answers. They couldn't run against that front and they couldn't take advantage of the match-ups they had at WR. To me it looked like a lot of bad coaching plus some of Sam's poor accuracy at times and decision making.

So, Iowa State Football?

 

[BryceC]

Wonder what the tune would be around here if the record was 4-2.

Why? You know what it would be like.

 

[jburke]

Let's look at the series that we didn't score at that time frame
2nd quarter
13 play-57 yard -Series ends with the Warren fumble on TCU's 18
3 play 3 yards- Sam missed Ryen on first down, three yard run on second Sam hurried and throws it away at Warrens feet on 3rd Poor protection punt from the ISU 33

3rd quarter
4 play-33 yards- 2nd and six Sam sacked on Corner blitz trying to go deep and a fumble on TCU's 42
8 play- 48 yards- Montgomery gets knocked on his *** on 3 and 3 otherwise Wesley gets the first down and much more. Punt form TCU's 45

4th quarter
13 play 49 yards- 3rd and 9 Lazard doesn't complete the catch to the ground that was originally ruled a fumble. 4th down, Thomas slips on a well blocked screen and Philbert called for holding. TO on downs on TCU 26
11 play-43 yards- 2nd and four and Bundrage false starts. Run the ball twice. 4th and 3 and Campos false starts. Incomplete pass TO on Downs at the TCU 30

looks like we moved the ball but players failed to execute in certain situations. And not just Sam but numerous players

I have always said this blame goes a lot of directions..... Mostly to the coaches.... I just thought we played timid the rest of the game, and stopped playing to win.....

 

[thrillcat]

That doesn't explain why he had to say something about it. I don't care if the pass should or shouldn't have been thrown, or if Rhoads is right about that. I care that the coach was a db about it and made it a point to to be a db about it.

THIS 100x.

The week before it was the backup kicker. He was asked about Cole, mentioned that they used the backup for an extra point, and for some reason (insecurity), he felt the need to call the kid's kick horrible.

 

[tzjung]

No it is not the type of throw that should always be thrown and no you don't throw it to Lazard every play. that is what happened against iowa remember.

Let's look at the stalled drives again
Drive stalled due to Warren Fumble
-Went vertical to Lazard for 27 yards, went vertical to Bundrage in the endzone well thrown ball DB had Bundrage's rt arm
Next drive
-Richardson misses wide open Ryen- obviously the right call against the defense, Thomas run then Sam throws it away due to pressure(probably trying to go vertical)
Next Drive
- 16 yard pass to Montgomery, go vertical to Lazard and get a PI called, Sam sacked on corner blitz looking to go vertical(hmmm) and fumbles
Next drive
- 8 plays 48 yards including a 21 yard Warren run set up by the short passing game because TCU was playing over the top. Looked vertical dumped to Boesen Series stalled because Montgomery got knocked on his *** on 3rd and 3 if he makes his block that is at least a first down
Next drive
-vertical to Lazard and Sam over throws him while slightly pressured, vertical to Montogmery and got a PI called, went vertical to Bundrage who ran a bad route went incomplete, Looked vertical then dumped to Montgomery who dropped it, Looked vertical on 4th and 10 and Sam scrambled and dumped to Bundrage for 11, went vertical to Lazard in the endzone and it was busted up. good throw good play by DB
Next drive
-vertical to Montgomery who had it but safety jarred it loose, deep middle to Bundrage for 21


Went vertical at least every series and most series did it more than once. It is a drunk myth that we didn't go vertical after the first quarter

This is a great summary and I think shows that Mangino's play calling has been pretty damn good! He put us in positions to succeed and then the players made mistakes which cost us the continuation of drives. These are minor details that can be fixed, we'll see if the offense can put it all together at anytime this year. Unfortunately our D never had a chance the entire game.

Now...player discipline can also be on Mangino, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying the play calls were pretty good.

 

[tazclone]

not that this tangent is that relevant but the problem Saturday was when TCU stacked the box and rolled their coverage over to Lazard ISU had no answers. They couldn't run against that front and they couldn't take advantage of the match-ups they had at WR. To me it looked like a lot of bad coaching plus some of Sam's poor accuracy at times and decision making.

Disagree. iSu went to the short passing game and had success. Ryen was wide open across the middle and Sam missed him but....the next series TCU did it, iSu took the ball from the isu 7 to the TCU 45 before Montgomery got knocked on his *** and stalled the drive. The short passing game opened up the run and that is when Warren got his 21 yarder.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Put in Tiller.

Put In Freshness.

 

[tazclone]

I have always said this blame goes a lot of directions..... Mostly to the coaches.... I just thought we played timid the rest of the game, and stopped playing to win.....

Disagree. We went vertical quite a bit and had success. When TCU rolled coverage, we went to the short passing game and had success. the failures happened on execution and when the field got compressed.

 

[tazclone]

This is a great summary and I think shows that Mangino's play calling has been pretty damn good! He put us in positions to succeed and then the players made mistakes which cost us the continuation of drives. These are minor details that can be fixed, we'll see if the offense can put it all together at anytime this year. Unfortunately our D never had a chance the entire game.

Now...player discipline can also be on Mangino, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying the play calls were pretty good.

Player discipline gets pushed real hard when playing a superior opponent. Sometimes you just try too much and sometimes the opponent is just better.

 

[tazclone]

This is a great summary and I think shows that Mangino's play calling has been pretty damn good! He put us in positions to succeed and then the players made mistakes which cost us the continuation of drives. These are minor details that can be fixed, we'll see if the offense can put it all together at anytime this year. Unfortunately our D never had a chance the entire game.

Now...player discipline can also be on Mangino, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying the play calls were pretty good.

I have never called the post game call in show but did Saturday. I was ****** at Williams and Whitver putting all the blame on Sam. When I called and pointed out the other failures they agreed, hummed and hawed and then moved on.

Sam can get better and needs to get better. If people want to beat him up after TT great. He played like ****. But he played well on Saturday. even normal Sam haters in my section stated as much and then I get on the call in show and Chris and Jack lead the charge. understand it from Chris but Whitver surprised me. He knows better but hen he was a WR.

 

[tazclone]

not that this tangent is that relevant but the problem Saturday was when TCU stacked the box and rolled their coverage over to Lazard ISU had no answers. They couldn't run against that front and they couldn't take advantage of the match-ups they had at WR. To me it looked like a lot of bad coaching plus some of Sam's poor accuracy at times and decision making.

Sam's 14 incompletions

• Throws it away as he was hurried in the second series
• Bundrage endzone throw originally called an INT that should have been called a TD
• Bundrage endzone pass where he got his left hand on it and the DB had his right hand and held him up
• Drop by Montgomery that hits him square in the hands
• Montgomery down the sideline catches but safety jars it loose
• Lazard in the endzone DB knocks away a well thrown ball great play by the DB
• Throws it at Warren's feet to avoid a sack
• Bundrage down the sideline where Bundrage runs the route to far inside
• Lazard catch that was originally ruled a fumble and then incomplete
• Over throws Lazard who was double covered
• Out pattern to Montgomery that DB gets a hand on

The ones everyone remembers

• wide open Ryen that would have gone for about 10 yards
• Overthrow of Lazard down the middle where he had inside on the DB
• Overthrow to Bundrage right before the TD that wasn't a TD

24-38 three bad throws. Otherwise he placed the ball well all day except the throw to Lazard that led to the ejection of the TCU player. I don't want to here that he didn't hit people in stride either...he did. Hell he completed four, well thrown slants in a row and threw a perfect pass to Wesley the series when Montgomery got knocked on his arse.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I have never called the post game call in show but did Saturday. I was ****** at Williams and Whitver putting all the blame on Sam. When I called and pointed out the other failures they agreed, hummed and hawed and then moved on.

Sam can get better and needs to get better. If people want to beat him up after TT great. He played like ****. But he played well on Saturday. even normal Sam haters in my section stated as much and then I get on the call in show and Chris and Jack lead the charge. understand it from Chris but Whitver surprised me. He knows better but hen he was a WR.

I don't care if he was 25-25 for 5000 yards in quarters 2,3,&4. If your team doesn't score any offensive points in that timeframe then the QB did not have a good game. Your expensive excuse machine is very nice and you definitely paid for the additional 10,000 excuses upgrade but SR is a major problem for this offense. Please note, I didn't say THE PROBLEM, I said, A MAJOR PROBLEM. He needs to see the bench. And I'm not saying he needs to be there permanently, but he needs to take a seat for a little bit.

 

[Land Grant]

We can these conversations about which players are failing most ad nauseum. We can have them within a given year, or comparing the performance of position across years. The common denominator in all this is the head coach. Voila.

I don't care if he was 25-25 for 5000 yards in quarters 2,3,&4. If your team doesn't score any offensive points in that timeframe then the QB did not have a good game. Your expensive excuse machine is very nice and you definitely paid for the additional 10,000 excuses upgrade but SR is a major problem for this offense. Please note, I didn't say THE PROBLEM, I said, A MAJOR PROBLEM. He needs to see the bench. And I'm not saying he needs to be there permanently, but he needs to take a seat for a little bit.

 

[tazclone]

I don't care if he was 25-25 for 5000 yards in quarters 2,3,&4. If your team doesn't score any offensive points in that timeframe then the QB did not have a good game. Your expensive excuse machine is very nice and you definitely paid for the additional 10,000 excuses upgrade but SR is a major problem for this offense. Please note, I didn't say THE PROBLEM, I said, A MAJOR PROBLEM. He needs to see the bench. And I'm not saying he needs to be there permanently, but he needs to take a seat for a little bit.

Please give examples of where he was the problem. In those three quarters. I listed all his failures...it should be easy for you. Otherwise it is just a mindless rant based on nothing but drunk emotion.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Please give examples of where he was the problem. In those three quarters. I listed all his failures...it should be easy for you. Otherwise it is just a mindless rant based on nothing but drunk emotion.

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Keep the minutiae coming Paul. This program is rock bottom and it needs a bottom line. There it is.