CR Gazette: ISU AD facing potential $147M deficit by 2031 with direct to player payments

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Section to section.
I would compare club to club, suite to suite, sideline to sideline, corner to corner etc.

You cant compare a suite to a corner seat etc. That would definitely be apples to oranges. I get it they have more suites, great, maybe we need more, instead of pushing the cost to the average fans.
Well kinda, you seem to not mention you can get 50 yardline tickets at JTS for much less than an 18k donation but you seem to want to use our apples against other teams oranges when it suits you.

I looked at you can get 4 50 yard line tickets at JTS for 3540 total.

Also you can’t just take the price of an individual ticket, unless you are some sad schlub who has 0 friends.
 
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Well kinda, you seem to not mention you can get 50 yardline tickets at JTS for much less than an 18k donation but you seem to want to use our apples against other teams oranges when it suits you.

I looked at you can get 4 50 yard line tickets at JTS for 3540 total.

Also you can’t just take the price of an individual ticket, unless you are some sad schlub who has 0 friends.
ok so how, outside the upper nosebleeds. Yet you dont want to compare those with the same upper nose bleeds at the other stadiums. (those same 4 upper nose bleed 50 yard line seats at KSU would be $2040 all in, nearly half the cost.)

You want apples to apples but then come at me with this.

even in the chair back section if you are not maxing out every option of to get you value it takes a lot to pass ISU.

So lets take the chair back section.

go with ten tickets,.

At KSU, 1700 per ticket all in. so... $17K total

ISU $18K for donation, plus $6600 for the 10 tickets..... total $24, 600.

That leaves you $7,600 to put towards BB at that level, before you pass the Cost at ISU.

At 12 you can shrink it more, but if you get less that difference expands rapidly. (the difference shrinks to about $5500)

The only way you are getting a value, at ISU, is if you max out your ticket options and absolutely have to do both FB and BB.

And yeah I only get 2 or 4 tickets, because my kids arent interested, hell my wife isnt most days, and trying to find anyone interested that either dont already have tickets in their own group or can go, is next to impossible, and selling them at a loss gets old too, so there is no point is buying more than I need. Most of my friends and family that are Cyclone fans either already have tickets, get tickets in a much different section usually lower donor etc, or just have no interest in going, the rest... are suckeye fans etc.

This year I also will be going to some South Dakota State games to see my niece on their dance team, as I told my sister I would go with her to a few. Not to mention my kids sports every single fall weekend from mid august through mid june. Makes it pretty difficult for me, my wife, and kids to all go.

My oldest is a grad student at ISU and wants me to continue to come and tailgate at ISU but justifying the cost is difficult to do especially for season tickets. Especially when you can get really good tickets on the secondary market for a huge discount.
 
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ok so how, outside the upper nosebleeds. Yet you dont want to compare those with the same upper nose bleeds at the other stadiums. (those same 4 upper nose bleed 50 yard line seats at KSU would be $2040 all in, nearly half the cost.)

You want apples to apples but then come at me with this.

even in the chair back section if you are not maxing out every option of to get you value it takes a lot to pass ISU.

So lets take the chair back section.

go with ten tickets,.

At KSU, 1700 per ticket all in. so... $17K total

ISU $18K for donation, plus $6600 for the 10 tickets..... total $24, 600.

That leaves you $7,600 to put towards BB at that level, before you pass the Cost at ISU.

At 12 you can shrink it more, but if you get less that difference expands rapidly. (the difference shrinks to about $5500)

The only way you are getting a value, at ISU, is if you max out your ticket options and absolutely have to do both FB and BB.

And yeah I only get 2 or 4 tickets, because my kids arent interested, hell my wife isnt most days, and trying to find anyone interested that either dont already have tickets in their own group or can go, is next to impossible, and selling them at a loss gets old too, so there is no point is buying more than I need. Most of my friends and family that are Cyclone fans either already have tickets, get tickets in a much different section usually lower donor etc, or just have no interest in going, the rest... are suckeye fans etc.

This year I also will be going to some South Dakota State games to see my niece on their dance team, as I told my sister I would go with her to a few. Not to mention my kids sports every single fall weekend from mid august through mid june. Makes it pretty difficult for me, my wife, and kids to all go.

My oldest is a grad student at ISU and wants me to continue to come and tailgate at ISU but justifying the cost is difficult to do especially for season tickets. Especially when you can get really good tickets on the secondary market for a huge discount.
You keep referencing the $18,000 donation but you can sit down below on the 40 for $4,500, the 30 for $1,800 and the 20 for $900. I mean you can get section 38 or section 13 with a $360 donation! Plus if you want to sit in the uppers you have a lot more affordable options. Section 15 is a fine vantage point, no donation required and only $460 for tickets.

The serious flaw in your argument though is your ignoring half of the Iowa State donation and then picking out the worst value for Iowa State tickets and comparing them to the best value at other venues.
 

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Of the many long back and forth arguments that take place on CF, this is easily the least entertaining and most boring one.
 
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ok so how, outside the upper nosebleeds. Yet you dont want to compare those with the same upper nose bleeds at the other stadiums. (those same 4 upper nose bleed 50 yard line seats at KSU would be $2040 all in, nearly half the cost.)

You want apples to apples but then come at me with this.

even in the chair back section if you are not maxing out every option of to get you value it takes a lot to pass ISU.

So lets take the chair back section.

go with ten tickets,.

At KSU, 1700 per ticket all in. so... $17K total

ISU $18K for donation, plus $6600 for the 10 tickets..... total $24, 600.

That leaves you $7,600 to put towards BB at that level, before you pass the Cost at ISU.

At 12 you can shrink it more, but if you get less that difference expands rapidly. (the difference shrinks to about $5500)

The only way you are getting a value, at ISU, is if you max out your ticket options and absolutely have to do both FB and BB.

And yeah I only get 2 or 4 tickets, because my kids arent interested, hell my wife isnt most days, and trying to find anyone interested that either dont already have tickets in their own group or can go, is next to impossible, and selling them at a loss gets old too, so there is no point is buying more than I need. Most of my friends and family that are Cyclone fans either already have tickets, get tickets in a much different section usually lower donor etc, or just have no interest in going, the rest... are suckeye fans etc.

This year I also will be going to some South Dakota State games to see my niece on their dance team, as I told my sister I would go with her to a few. Not to mention my kids sports every single fall weekend from mid august through mid june. Makes it pretty difficult for me, my wife, and kids to all go.

My oldest is a grad student at ISU and wants me to continue to come and tailgate at ISU but justifying the cost is difficult to do especially for season tickets. Especially when you can get really good tickets on the secondary market for a huge discount.
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Last post on this by me. Ok let’s use the purple area, looking at the picture, why do you only say 18k for lower deck when it’s actually 9k gets you there too? You are fixated on the 50s costing 18k but apparently you can get those for 9k also.
 
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I mean sukups main perk is beer, which many schools sell throughout the stadium. JP will never do that.

KSU did for a while, then only in certain areas but added a beer garden area too.

I for one have thought maybe they need to expand the Jack Trice club further down that side. There seems to be a long waiting list to get in there, maybe expanding those premium areas would be a good idea.

Are club sections more valuable than suites now days? Maybe we need to convert some of suits to clubs?

Problem is in many cases it will cost a lot to expand said premium areas, especially if it needs significant expansion project, which I am not sure we will have that money any time soon. So in turn it will continue to be the cost is pushed on the backs of the average fans.
If you think the main perk of the sukup club is selling beer then I suggest you go sit there and late October, November,and early December.
 
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Last post on this by me. Ok let’s use the purple area, looking at the picture, why do you only say 18k for lower deck when it’s actually 9k gets you there too? You are fixated on the 50s costing 18k but apparently you can get those for 9k also.
just a question is there any donation for the mobile tickets. if not why not?
 

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ok so how, outside the upper nosebleeds. Yet you dont want to compare those with the same upper nose bleeds at the other stadiums. (those same 4 upper nose bleed 50 yard line seats at KSU would be $2040 all in, nearly half the cost.)

You want apples to apples but then come at me with this.

even in the chair back section if you are not maxing out every option of to get you value it takes a lot to pass ISU.

So lets take the chair back section.

go with ten tickets,.

At KSU, 1700 per ticket all in. so... $17K total

ISU $18K for donation, plus $6600 for the 10 tickets..... total $24, 600.

That leaves you $7,600 to put towards BB at that level, before you pass the Cost at ISU.

At 12 you can shrink it more, but if you get less that difference expands rapidly. (the difference shrinks to about $5500)

The only way you are getting a value, at ISU, is if you max out your ticket options and absolutely have to do both FB and BB.

And yeah I only get 2 or 4 tickets, because my kids arent interested, hell my wife isnt most days, and trying to find anyone interested that either dont already have tickets in their own group or can go, is next to impossible, and selling them at a loss gets old too, so there is no point is buying more than I need. Most of my friends and family that are Cyclone fans either already have tickets, get tickets in a much different section usually lower donor etc, or just have no interest in going, the rest... are suckeye fans etc.

This year I also will be going to some South Dakota State games to see my niece on their dance team, as I told my sister I would go with her to a few. Not to mention my kids sports every single fall weekend from mid august through mid june. Makes it pretty difficult for me, my wife, and kids to all go.

My oldest is a grad student at ISU and wants me to continue to come and tailgate at ISU but justifying the cost is difficult to do especially for season tickets. Especially when you can get really good tickets on the secondary market for a huge discount.
It seems to me that the prices at other schools are completely irrelevant other than to provide a vague notion of what the market might be. First, tickets at Kansas, K-state, etc. are not substitutes. If you go to the meat market at Fareway, you might choose between chicken, beef, and pork based on price, but no one is looking at prices at some other schools and switching away from ISU because of ticket prices. Second, as many have pointed out, it is difficult to compare prices because different schools have different schemes with respect to parking, per seat donations, donations segregated by sport, etc. What’s relevant is the market for ISU tickets and what pricing scheme maximizes revenue for Cyclone athletics.
 

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ok so how, outside the upper nosebleeds. Yet you dont want to compare those with the same upper nose bleeds at the other stadiums. (those same 4 upper nose bleed 50 yard line seats at KSU would be $2040 all in, nearly half the cost.)

You want apples to apples but then come at me with this.

even in the chair back section if you are not maxing out every option of to get you value it takes a lot to pass ISU.

So lets take the chair back section.

go with ten tickets,.

At KSU, 1700 per ticket all in. so... $17K total

ISU $18K for donation, plus $6600 for the 10 tickets..... total $24, 600.

That leaves you $7,600 to put towards BB at that level, before you pass the Cost at ISU.

At 12 you can shrink it more, but if you get less that difference expands rapidly. (the difference shrinks to about $5500)

The only way you are getting a value, at ISU, is if you max out your ticket options and absolutely have to do both FB and BB.

And yeah I only get 2 or 4 tickets, because my kids arent interested, hell my wife isnt most days, and trying to find anyone interested that either dont already have tickets in their own group or can go, is next to impossible, and selling them at a loss gets old too, so there is no point is buying more than I need. Most of my friends and family that are Cyclone fans either already have tickets, get tickets in a much different section usually lower donor etc, or just have no interest in going, the rest... are suckeye fans etc.

This year I also will be going to some South Dakota State games to see my niece on their dance team, as I told my sister I would go with her to a few. Not to mention my kids sports every single fall weekend from mid august through mid june. Makes it pretty difficult for me, my wife, and kids to all go.

My oldest is a grad student at ISU and wants me to continue to come and tailgate at ISU but justifying the cost is difficult to do especially for season tickets. Especially when you can get really good tickets on the secondary market for a huge discount.
I'd buy ur RV pass if available
 

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You keep referencing the $18,000 donation but you can sit down below on the 40 for $4,500, the 30 for $1,800 and the 20 for $900. I mean you can get section 38 or section 13 with a $360 donation! Plus if you want to sit in the uppers you have a lot more affordable options. Section 15 is a fine vantage point, no donation required and only $460 for tickets.

The serious flaw in your argument though is your ignoring half of the Iowa State donation and then picking out the worst value for Iowa State tickets and comparing them to the best value at other venues.
I literally said compare section to section vs other schools similar sections seats. Its not just about any one section. In most cases in most stadiums of our peers, the similar section seats are far cheaper. You can get all those sections in other stadiums for even less too. That has been my entire point, but everyone is fixated on one price point, when I have repeatedly said compare like sections.

You literally kept saying how the high donors get so many perks at those levels, like no other school gives perks for their high donors. This is the reason I compared the high end tickets vs other areas, but the results are the same in most cases.

Its fine you can justify what ISU charges in your mind, I can not. I found that for my current situation, continuing my donation and tickets was not worth it anymore, so I let them go.

And as far as the RV section, I was planning on buying into the new lot but then they increased the donor requirement so that Gold level was no longer enough, that it was no longer feasible for us, and not worth the extra cost, so we didnt upgrade to the RV lot. In the end I have too much going on during the season right now, and can not make most BB games either so never was able to get season tickets, just buying single game tickets when able. I my tickets were costing way more than the value I was getting. Most years I have had to eat several games tickets, which is just burning money.

I feel as the prices go up the number of butts in the seats will go down, which will require even more price increases to make up the difference, and thus begins a vicious cycle. I hope I am wrong.

Anyway, moving on. We all can just agree to disagree.
 
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