Current Standings... And the Big 12 crown is achievable!

[Rogue52]

Meh...Winning the Big 12 regular season is harder than making the Elite 8 at this point.

Play for March. Get a fire lit under McKay's butt, finish out this conference season as best as possible, commence Operation Hilton South, and on to the Sweet 16 or better.

 

[randomfan44]

I remember having a similar conversation last year about Baylor and the TTech loss. I'm still trying to figure out if this is a Hoiberg thing that he installed in this team, or if it's just he make up of most of these guys. I have no doubt on any given night, they could beat anyone in the country. On that same note though, they could lose to anyone as well. And this has been pretty much the way this team has been from the start. Just seems like when they get a good lead, they start to lose focus and don't play the same game that got them that lead. In their effort to put the game away fast, they usually let the other team right back in.

It's not a Hoiberg thing, it's a college basketball thing. Expecting consistency out of college aged kids is as futile as expecting to win the Powerball.

 

[BigBake]

Best case I see us having a chance to deny KU a Conf title (outright or shared) in the last game of Conf.

 

[Spanky]

Meh...Winning the Big 12 regular season is harder than making the Elite 8 at this point.

Play for March. Get a fire lit under McKay's butt, finish out this conference season as best as possible, commence Operation Hilton South, and on to the Sweet 16 or better.

True dat.
With the B12 conf tourney being such a great warm up, why doesn't it seem to carry over to the big stage?

 

[randomfan44]

True dat. With the B12 conf tourney being such a great warm up, why doesn't it seem to carry over to the big stage?

Because losing a Big 12 tourney game doesn't mean anything other than a few more days rest versus losing an NCAA tourney game means your season is over.

 

[IAStubborn]

I think KU drops one at OU this Saturday. I think OU drops one at WV. But no way do we win out. Considering the circumstances (Naz, McKay, etc.), I'd take 12-6 as a great finish but 10-8 is certainly possible considering road games yet at KU, Tech, WV, and Baylor. Probably the more feasible discussion is how many teams will 'tie' for the conference championship. Two, three?

Assuming the best we can do is a share, I would love it if it was a 3 way tie with OU, WVU and us. And ku tied Texas and Baylor for fourth but ended up the 6th seed due to tiebreakers. Not only would ku be dethroned they would be dethroned by a third of the league and we could say they didn't even finish top half

 

[SolarGarlic]

Because losing a Big 12 tourney game doesn't mean anything other than a few more days rest versus losing an NCAA tourney game means your season is over.

Huh?

Are you trying to answer his question, or are you just trying to get a prototypical Kansas fan dig on ISU for beating KU in the B12 tourney?

 

[randomfan44]

Huh? Are you trying to answer his question, or are you just trying to get a prototypical Kansas fan dig on ISU for beating KU in the B12 tourney?

I quoted a post that had a question in it and then I gave my opinion as an answer to that question.

 

[SolarGarlic]

"Because losing a Big 12 tourney game doesn't mean anything other than a few more days rest versus losing an NCAA tourney game means your season is over."

How does that answer: With the B12 conf tourney being such a great warm up, why doesn't it seem to carry over to the big stage?

The higher stakes of the NCAA tournament make playing in a tough conference tournament irrelevant to NCAA performance? It's just an odd answer.

Or maybe more simply if discussing primarily ISU: The higher stakes of the NCAA tournament make winning a Big 12 Tournament irrelevant to your NCAA performance?

What do the consequences of those losses have to do with the question of translating a good performance in KC to a good performance in NCAA?

It just sounds like you're masking insults (excuses) in "analysis." You're pretty good at that.

I like words. If only I could translate time spent on this work into my job.

 

[Cycsk]

Best case I see us having a chance to deny KU a Conf title (outright or shared) in the last game of Conf.

Winning the Big 12 season would be the best . . . causing KU to lose it would be the next best thing!

 

[andymhallman]

No, winning the conference is not possible with our remaining road games. OU has the easiest schedule left after their narrow escape against Texas Monday.

After Tech, we will have gotten all the bad teams out of the way on the road. The rest of the road games are against Baylor, West Virginia and Kansas, plus a home game against a good Texas team. TCU, K-State and OSU at home should not be a problem.

If we go 2-2 in our remaining road games, we will finish 5-4 on the road in conference, the first time we've been at .500 or better since 2005 and probably the first time in school history we've had a winning record on the road.

 

[acgclone]

I'm over caring where we finish in the B12 race. I want a favorable bracket which can certainly be helped by a good seed.

For me, especially after last year the post season is what I will remember.

 

[Wesley]

Just enjoy the ride, these seniors, and hope we make some noise in KC and the big tourney. People hanging on to ISU winning the conference are just setting themselves up for hurt. Ain't happening.

Hope to do more in conference. KC will be tougher this year.

 

[Wesley]

"Because losing a Big 12 tourney game doesn't mean anything other than a few more days rest versus losing an NCAA tourney game means your season is over." How does that answer: With the B12 conf tourney being such a great warm up, why doesn't it seem to carry over to the big stage? The higher stakes of the NCAA tournament make playing in a tough conference tournament irrelevant to NCAA performance? It's just an odd answer. Or maybe more simply if discussing primarily ISU: The higher stakes of the NCAA tournament make winning a Big 12 Tournament irrelevant to your NCAA performance? What do the consequences of those losses have to do with the question of translating a good performance in KC to a good performance in NCAA? It just sounds like you're masking insults (excuses) in "analysis." You're pretty good at that. I like words. If only I could translate time spent on this work into my job.

It is well documented that winning conference tournament usually does not carry over to the NCAAs as winning three to four games are a pounding

 

[CyFan61]

It is well documented that winning conference tournament usually does not carry over to the NCAAs as winning three to four games are a pounding

Could you provide some of the documentation?

 

[SolarGarlic]

It is well documented that winning conference tournament usually does not carry over to the NCAAs as winning three to four games are a pounding

Is that really "well-documented"? I'd bet the statistics don't back you up on that, as many times the top team in the conference does well in both. I doubt there's much correlation and even less causation.

 

[CyFan61]

If favorites win out the rest of this week, the standings will look like this after Saturday.


Oklahoma (9-3)
West Virginia (9-3)

Baylor (8-4)
Iowa State (8-4)
Kansas (8-4)

Texas (7-5)


And Iowa State will be playing at Baylor on Tuesday with a chance to pick up a huge game and get right back in the mix to win a share.

This is much easier said than done, as I'm basically saying if ISU wins its next three games they will be 9-4. So let's see if they can start that tonight.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Hey Garlic, you know randomfan44 is the famed troll Tuco right? He does actually have good insight, you just have to wade through tons of smug and back handed insults to get it. You know, a KU fan.

 

[acgclone]

I've heard discussed on sports talk radio that there is really no significant correlation between the conference tournaments and NCAA performance.

I have no idea what data they were looking at though.

 

[UraMallas]

Hey Garlic, you know randomfan44 is the famed troll Tuco right? He does actually have good insight, you just have to wade through tons of smug and back handed insults to get it. You know, a KU fan.

Honestly, true.