Cy-Hawk Dual

[crablegs]

i have been critical of this staff’s weight management for 2 years now. That said, what if Parker feels he can’t maintain 141? If the two wrestle off and the winner gets the spot would you feel the same? Your posting on HR appears that you’ve written off ISU altogether but at the end of day wrestlers earn their spots regardless of past performances.

Your HR postings make it appear there are other things going on behind the scenes that are unfair.

I’m not speaking for @Crazyape22 but my problem is that 6th year seniors don’t typically have growth spurts. One of two things likely happened:
1. Parker got a bit careless with his weight in the off-season and didn’t feel like getting it all the way back down so he just decided to go 49.
2. He lifted his way out of 41. If this scenario is the case it should have been discussed/planned with the coaches and strength/conditioning staff. From what I’ve seen it sounds like the staff was caught off guard about Parker wanting to switch.

To me I don’t know if anything nefarious going on other than just a very, very crappy team move by Parker.

 

[CyCloneRastlinG]

i have been critical of this staff’s weight management for 2 years now. That said, what if Parker feels he can’t maintain 141? If the two wrestle off and the winner gets the spot would you feel the same? Your posting on HR appears that you’ve written off ISU altogether but at the end of day wrestlers earn their spots regardless of past performances.

Your HR postings make it appear there are other things going on behind the scenes that are unfair.

Strange having a current wrestlers dad on the HR saying go hawks... seems like most everyone has been supportive of Jarrett outside of a couple people. I don’t think you can keep blaming coaches if a guy grows and decides he’s done cutting weight. Parker is a grown man and makes his own decisions. It would be weird if a Hawkeye parent came on here complaining about competition in the room and blaming Tom Brands. That dumb*as Mitchelle over there doesn’t need any help

 

[Boxer007]

I’m not speaking for @Crazyape22 but my problem is that 6th year seniors don’t typically have growth spurts. One of two things likely happened:
1. Parker got a bit careless with his weight in the off-season and didn’t feel like getting it all the way back down so he just decided to go 49.
2. He lifted his way out of 41. If this scenario is the case it should have been discussed/planned with the coaches and strength/conditioning staff. From what I’ve seen it sounds like the staff was caught off guard about Parker wanting to switch.

To me I don’t know if anything nefarious going on other than just a very, very crappy team move by Parker.

I hear what you’re saying. I just don’t understand how we would keep having these apparent breakdowns in off season communication. Anyone that saw the flo video of Parker had to be suspicious he wasn't going back down. Then Metcalf talks about how much better Parker feels/moves at the higher weight and his past end of season inquiries. It seemed to me that at least some of the staff understood his intentions.

I hate the situation. Both super seniors at the same weight is nightmarish for a team with so few established AA candidates. Obviously we fans have no idea of the behind the scenes discussions but it’s hard to give them the benefit if the doubt when it has never appeared that any individual wrestler is weight planning with the staff. I will never be convinced that past in season weight changes have helped the individual wrestlers. How could the staff not have been aware of Coleman’s inability to hold 165 two/three years ago? I appears the staff has been more concerned with plugging dual meet holes which to me has stunted long term growth.

 

[jkbuff98]

Strange having a current wrestlers dad on the HR saying go hawks... seems like most everyone has been supportive of Jarrett outside of a couple people. I don’t think you can keep blaming coaches if a guy grows and decides he’s done cutting weight. Parker is a grown man and makes his own decisions. It would be weird if a Hawkeye parent came on here complaining about competition in the room and blaming Tom Brands. That dumb*as Mitchelle over there doesn’t need any help

It’s one of his in laws

 

[CyCloneRastlinG]

It’s one of his in laws

“One of those 2 AA is my boy that I personally think they are trying to push out. After this year or sooner, if he gets screwed, there will be only 1 wrestler I will continue to cheer on. I know I keep ******** about the plight of Jarrett but it's not easy after all his loyalty to Dresser & Co.“ made it sound like his son but must be wife’s dad then? Either way, this happens all the time in wrestling, although it sucks when it does. Only so many weight classes, guys make decisions all the time to grow or cut down depending on what’s best for them and where they think they can succeed.

 

[stuclone]

It's a tough position on the coaching staff when one of your best wrestlers comes to you after the season and says he feels the weight cut has been a big reason for his short falls at NCAAs and asks that you help him bulk up to the next weight where one of your other best wrestlers happens to be. Degen is one of my favorite Cyclones of all time, but I can't blame Ian if he felt his best chance to achieve his goal of being an AA is at 149 and not 141. Nice thing about wrestling is you can prove you deserve the spot by beating out the other guy. All Degen has to do is beat Ian and then Ian will go down to 141.

 

[jkbuff98]

“One of those 2 AA is my boy that I personally think they are trying to push out. After this year or sooner, if he gets screwed, there will be only 1 wrestler I will continue to cheer on. I know I keep ******** about the plight of Jarrett but it's not easy after all his loyalty to Dresser & Co.“ made it sound like his son but must be wife’s dad then? Either way, this happens all the time in wrestling, although it sucks when it does. Only so many weight classes, guys make decisions all the time to grow or cut down depending on what’s best for them and where they think they can succeed.

 

[JM4CY]

Well this got weird.

 

[CyCloneRastlinG]

I guess the whole not understanding wrestling makes more sense now.

 

[OOTClone]

It's a tough position on the coaching staff when one of your best wrestlers comes to you after the season and says he feels the weight cut has been a big reason for his short falls at NCAAs and asks that you help him bulk up to the next weight where one of your other best wrestlers happens to be. Degen is one of my favorite Cyclones of all time, but I can't blame Ian if he felt his best chance to achieve his goal of being an AA is at 149 and not 141. Nice thing about wrestling is you can prove you deserve the spot by beating out the other guy. All Degen has to do is beat Ian and then Ian will go down to 141.

100% agree with this. Does it suck? No doubt. Is it on the coaches? No. Unless the team is competing for a title or a trophy, which ISU is not, coming back for an extra year is to try to end your career on a high note and achieve a goal/dream. Parker doesn't need to make himself miserable and perform at less than his full ability if he doesn't want to. If he gets beat out for 149, then he has the choice to go down or not get a shot to compete. If he wins 149, the better man won, and while it sucks for JD, its part of the sport and happens all the time. Maybe Parker can go down and just be put on a limited schedule to alleviate some of the weight cutting issues that wear him down by the end of the year. Wrestle some duals, then Big 12's and NCAA's.

 

[crablegs]

It's a tough position on the coaching staff when one of your best wrestlers comes to you after the season and says he feels the weight cut has been a big reason for his short falls at NCAAs and asks that you help him bulk up to the next weight where one of your other best wrestlers happens to be.

Is this what happened?

If this was the plan all spring and summer than I have much less of a problem with it. It doesn’t appear to me that was the case.

 

[stuclone]

Is this what happened?

If this was the plan all spring and summer than I have much less of a problem with it. It doesn’t appear to me that was the case.

I'm pretty sure Ian had planned to bump to 149 for a while. Not sure if he told Degen or everyone on the team, but there's a reason he was bulking this offseason

 

[crablegs]

I'm pretty sure Ian had planned to bump to 149 for a while. Not sure if he told Degen or everyone on the team, but there's a reason he was bulking this offseason

To me it’s a critical part of this whole thing is who knew and when. If the coaches knew last spring that is one thing. But if the coaches didn’t know until pre-season fall activities (or late summer) that is something different.

 

[jkbuff98]

I think if I remember right there is an interview where Dresser says Ian came to him in August - I will try and find it

 

[jkbuff98]

CFTV: Kevin Dresser previews 2021 season

Photo by Jacqueline Cordova // Cyclone Fanatic ]Head coach Kevin Dresser met with the media at Iowa State's 2021 Media Day to preview the upcoming season. https://youtu.be/IJBBEVVEqdE

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Comments on Parker start at 1:14 mark

 

[Crazyape22]

I do understand wrestling, thank you. In that post that was attached was about me following Gremmel in high school, I didn't follow any high school wrestling - still don't. I follow college wrestling.

I have an opinion just like everyone else. MY opinion is that Jarrett was not going to be a starter as soon as Ian decided to go up a weight. Everyone knows Jarrett can't go down to 141 or 165, he's odd man out. As a 6th year senior, its beyond disappointing. In Dresser's interview he said that if a kid came to him to change weights he would allow it b/c it would come back & bite him or something like that. I know that one wrestler was told he couldn't go to the weight he wanted this season.... Hate on me all you want for my comments & wanting a great final season for Jarrett.

 

[CyTwins]

I do understand wrestling, thank you. In that post that was attached was about me following Gremmel in high school, I didn't follow any high school wrestling - still don't. I follow college wrestling.

I have an opinion just like everyone else. MY opinion is that Jarrett was not going to be a starter as soon as Ian decided to go up a weight. Everyone knows Jarrett can't go down to 141 or 165, he's odd man out. As a 6th year senior, its beyond disappointing. In Dresser's interview he said that if a kid came to him to change weights he would allow it b/c it would come back & bite him or something like that. I know that one wrestler was told he couldn't go to the weight he wanted this season.... Hate on me all you want for my comments & wanting a great final season for Jarrett.

Maybe a dumb question but if he's on full feed to wrestle at 149 why couldn't he cut to 141? FWIW I'm a huge Degen fan and don't like that they're both at 149 but it is what it is at this point and I hope it gets figured out where they can both be in the lineup

 

[Cyforce]

Maybe a dumb question but if he's on full feed to wrestle at 149 why couldn't he cut to 141? FWIW I'm a huge Degen fan and don't like that they're both at 149 but it is what it is at this point and I hope it gets figured out where they can both be in the lineup

That's what is wierd about wrestling. It's an individual sport that keeps team score. What's best for the team usually takes a backseat to individual goals.

 

[JM4CY]

Maybe a dumb question but if he's on full feed to wrestle at 149 why couldn't he cut to 141? FWIW I'm a huge Degen fan and don't like that they're both at 149 but it is what it is at this point and I hope it gets figured out where they can both be in the lineup

Meanwhile, Degen lining up with all the other 41 lbers at weigh ins.

 

[CyTwins]

Meanwhile, Degen lining up with all the other 41 lbers at weigh ins.

Lol he's already the tallest 149 lber. Might as well make it the tallest 141 lber!