**** daylight savings

Because who gives a **** about an extra hour of daylight in January when it’s already cold, versus the sun literally rising until close to 9am. Millions of kids (elementary all the way through college) waiting for busses in darkness.
The bus roles through my neighborhood a little before 7. The kids are already waiting for the bus in darkness in the middle of winter even on standard time. And everyone seems to manage just fine.
 
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The bus roles through my neighborhood a little before 7. The kids are already waiting for the bus in darkness in the middle of winter even on standard time. And everyone seems to manage just fine.
There is no getting around some of that. But trying to limit the number of days that that happens is the point. I like that there is a last gasp of daylight saving time now for Halloween so the really little kids aren't doing all of their trick or treating in total darkness, then we immediately try to minimize the morning darkness. I don't think anyone is truly a fan of 9 am or later sunrises.
 
There is no getting around some of that. But trying to limit the number of days that that happens is the point. I like that there is a last gasp of daylight saving time now for Halloween so the really little kids aren't doing all of their trick or treating in total darkness, then we immediately try to minimize the morning darkness. I don't think anyone is truly a fan of 9 am or later sunrises.
I'm not a fan of this 112 degree heat, who can I write?
 
There is no getting around some of that. But trying to limit the number of days that that happens is the point. I like that there is a last gasp of daylight saving time now for Halloween so the really little kids aren't doing all of their trick or treating in total darkness, then we immediately try to minimize the morning darkness. I don't think anyone is truly a fan of 9 am or later sunrises.

I would happily trade 9 a.m. sunrises for some sun in the early evening
 
Another thing to keep in mind is that sunrise time is not the same as first daylight/dawn, which is the point you can see clearly and drive around safely without headlights. Under standard time on the shortest day of the year dawn in central Iowa is around 7:08am with a sunrise of 7:40am.

The question is whether you would rather have a 8:08am dawn in December under DST with more evening sunlight or under permanent standard time having dawn around 4:00am in June but have dawn around 7 in winter instead of 8. Or if you would rather switch your clocks twice a year.
 
I would happily trade 9 a.m. sunrises for some sun in the early evening
Gimme sun later in the day instead of earlier.

And realistically, society should also shift to just generally doing things later on. Such as starting school, where places that start school later in the day tend to have better educational outcomes.
 
Another thing to keep in mind is that sunrise time is not the same as first daylight/dawn, which is the point you can see clearly and drive around safely without headlights. Under standard time on the shortest day of the year dawn in central Iowa is around 7:08am with a sunrise of 7:40am.

The question is whether you would rather have a 8:08am dawn in December under DST with more evening sunlight or under permanent standard time having dawn around 4:00am in June but have dawn around 7 in winter instead of 8. Or if you would rather switch your clocks twice a year.
Switch clocks, easily. And I live in the NW Twin Cities so the winter dawn and first daylight times are even later.
 
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Or if you, like, have a job and want sunlight after your workday is over. That'd be nice. Early morning sun does nothing useful for average people, it's wasted sunlight. Suppose it's great for pensioners, though.
Yeah the "more light in the morning" thing is baffling.
 
Or if you, like, have a job and want sunlight after your workday is over. That'd be nice. Early morning sun does nothing useful for average people, it's wasted sunlight. Suppose it's great for pensioners, though.
yeah sun after my work day in the dead of winter when its -20 out is great.

idc if its dark or sunny I'm not going to be outside in the dead of winter between the hours of 4 and 6.

(yes i know not everyone lives in iowa)
 
I would happily trade 9 a.m. sunrises for some sun in the early evening
This. Starting and finishing work when it's dark vs having a bit of time after work with sun is why I'm for it. Also something that isn't a factor for many, it's easier for us to schedule calls with our India team during daylight savings. Puts them 10.5 instead of 11.5 hours ahead of us. Add another 2 hours to those gaps for our Sr. Director, my boss, and a few others who are on the West coast. They have to take calls at 6AM sometimes even in daylight savings time.
 

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