**** daylight savings
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But that goes away. They want to implement standard time year round. That means darkness around 8:00pm in July.
Do these "studies" also list the same negative health outcomes for every Weekend when people change their sleep schedule to go to the bar or watch a movie late?
I dont know anyone that sleeps the exact same hours every night, 365 days a year, NO ONE, but changing the clock 2 times a year (one that actually gives an extra hour of sleep) is somehow life altering.
Changing clocks to have better utilization for the daylight and match the majority of peoples schedules is by far better than the alternatives of not doing so.
I think it is hilarious when I talk to the people that work until 5pm, that think somehow staying on DST will actually give them time "outside" in the dead of winter with daylight to spare after they get home.
- these people get home most of the time at 5:30 or later, even with permanent DST, it will be dark or almost dark in the winter regardless.
- What are they planning to do? Play golf? shoot some hoops? have a picnic? seriously, you might get a few minutes after work if you are lucky, and then its 15 degrees.
- I have heard it makes the commute home safer, by being more light, yet does the opposite to the morning commute, so there is no actual gain.
- Doing the opposite and keeping standard time year around, actually eliminates an hour of daylight after work, when people actually want to be outside, and there are many many more things to do. Having that extra hour at 4am is wasted on most people.
I am a self-proclaimed "morning person" but the idea of a 4:30am sunrise is completely asinine. That is a complete waste of 2 hours of daylight for most human beings.
Give me more daylight in the evening. No brainer.
Just split the difference, 30 minutes and be done
There's an article on the first page of the thread with these 'studies'. Maybe start there.
I'm pretty neutral either way but your last statement sounds like you're speaking factual.
Is that from your own personal experience or something for the general population and what is it based on?
I have read many of the articles and the studies, I even had a open dialogue with one of the main people that was pushing the last attempt to stick with DST and not change, and what his opinions were on why he believed sticking with DST instead of changing is better. He was one of the people I that went before congress lobbying for it, and had written articles about it.
I personally don't agree with most, if not all, of the reasoning and complaints against the clock change. This is from experience and also in reading the reasoning for said change, and also the issues with not having it in the past. I have read several articles and other data from the last time they attempted it, as well as talked to people that experienced it. I was too young to remember or understand it.
I have based what I have said is on what I believe and have found is the majority of people's basic daily schedules. Yes I understand there are a lot of people out there that have different schedules, but there is a basic schedule that the majority of people have. For example, the reason there is rush hour a set timeframe morning and evening, is because the vast majority of people work similar hours so their commute is all at similar times. Of course there are others that have different schedules but the majority have similar schedules of around 8-5, give or take. Same with school, while obviously some kids go to school or get on the bus much earlier than others, and some stay later etc, the vast majority go and leave at very similar times. ie most leave for school around 7:30 and head home around 3:30. I understand that some kids get on the bus before daylight, (I did during my bus riding days), but the majority with the clock change as currently, got on the bus or headed to school after daylight.
According to what I have found 84% of US workers worked during the traditional day shift approximately 9-5.
"In 2017-2018, 84% of wage and salary workers had a regular daytime schedule. The other 16% worked non-day hours, including 6% evenings and 4% nights. The rest had rotating, split, irregular, or other schedules."
Shift Work Statistics & Facts (2024) — Redline Digital
I worked for many years in an industry in which not only did my schedule/shift change frequently, also having no set schedule whatsoever, in which I would be on call 24/7/365, often working at 2am one shift and 8pm the next and 6am the next or similar. I slept when I need to, and know for a fact that during the daylight hours everyone was much more productive than when it was dark, so matching the daylight hours to best fit the majority of schedules is the most beneficial.
I have read many of the articles and the studies, I even had a open dialogue with one of the main people that was pushing the last attempt to stick with DST and not change, and what his opinions were on why he believed sticking with DST instead of changing is better. He was one of the people I that went before congress lobbying for it, and had written articles about it.
I personally don't agree with most, if not all, of the reasoning and complaints against the clock change. This is from experience and also in reading the reasoning for said change, and also the issues with not having it in the past. I have read several articles and other data from the last time they attempted it, as well as talked to people that experienced it. I was too young to remember or understand it.
I have based what I have said is on what I believe and have found is the majority of people's basic daily schedules. Yes I understand there are a lot of people out there that have different schedules, but there is a basic schedule that the majority of people have. For example, the reason there is rush hour a set timeframe morning and evening, is because the vast majority of people work similar hours so their commute is all at similar times. Of course there are others that have different schedules but the majority have similar schedules of around 8-5, give or take. Same with school, while obviously some kids go to school or get on the bus much earlier than others, and some stay later etc, the vast majority go and leave at very similar times. ie most leave for school around 7:30 and head home around 3:30. I understand that some kids get on the bus before daylight, (I did during my bus riding days), but the majority with the clock change as currently, got on the bus or headed to school after daylight.
According to what I have found 84% of US workers worked during the traditional day shift approximately 9-5.
"In 2017-2018, 84% of wage and salary workers had a regular daytime schedule. The other 16% worked non-day hours, including 6% evenings and 4% nights. The rest had rotating, split, irregular, or other schedules."
Shift Work Statistics & Facts (2024) — Redline Digital
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I worked for many years in an industry in which not only did my schedule/shift change frequently, also having no set schedule whatsoever, in which I would be on call 24/7/365, often working at 2am one shift and 8pm the next and 6am the next or similar. I slept when I need to, and know for a fact that during the daylight hours everyone was much more productive than when it was dark, so matching the daylight hours to best fit the majority of schedules is the most beneficial.
This is all good.
Again I'm neutral on it but personally kind of like the changes in some ways; sleeping in during the fall change and I like when the sun is all of the sudden out longer in March.
I do disagree with comparing it to going out or watching movies late at night since those are choices and don't involve a time change.
Honestly, give me whatever gives me the most hours of sunlight to golf in the evening, but even going the other way, I prefer that the time doesn't change twice a year.
The solution is obvious people. Remove the tilt of Earth's axis.
It would get rid of those annoying seasons as well. Its would be more that worth it if I didn't have to rake up another ******* leaf for the rest of my days.
Seriously, the Almightly couldn't spare the additional 30 seconds to pull out a bubble level prior to hurling us into universe. Sloppy work.
It would get rid of those annoying seasons as well. Its would be more that worth it if I didn't have to rake up another ******* leaf for the rest of my days.
Seriously, the Almightly couldn't spare the additional 30 seconds to pull out a bubble level prior to hurling us into universe. Sloppy work.
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KidSilverhair
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Everybody just needs to get their sundials out and adjust their clocks to read 12:00 every day when the sundial shows noon … easy peasy. Who needs standard time zones? Use the sun as your clock!
DST vs standard has never been a big issue for me. Changing clocks is annoying but takes less than 10 mins for me. I think my only complaint would be sticking with standard time because at least for Minnesota we would waste so much daylight in the summer to sleep.
That wasn't invented until Bullroarer Took knocked the head of the Goblin King off with a club, and it flew 100 yards into a hole. That is how the game of golf was invented.
You have to remember, for a large portion of the country outside of the midwest, you actually can go out and do things in the evenings of the winter months without the weather trying to kill you.
