**** daylight savings

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I just don't understand all of the angst for the time change. Its inconvenient for our young kids for about 2 or 3 days but outside of that I don't think about it a single time until the next change.
34 pages of angst....so far.
 

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I just don't understand all of the angst for the time change. Its inconvenient for our young kids for about 2 or 3 days but outside of that I don't think about it a single time until the next change.
fwiw i don't really care either way but ever since we fell back my kid has been getting up at 5:45 every morning and its a real PAIN IN THE ASS
 
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I just don't understand all of the angst for the time change. Its inconvenient for our young kids for about 2 or 3 days but outside of that I don't think about it a single time until the next change.
I guess I don’t really see that much “angst” about that here. I see so many more comments complaining about people not liking the time change than I do actual complaints about it.

Sure, people do complain, but it’s more about it getting dark at 4:30 than the time change itself. And the complaining about that doesn’t seem excessive.
 

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You have to remember, for a large portion of the country outside of the midwest, you actually can go out and do things in the evenings of the winter months without the weather trying to kill you.
I get that.

I also get that the closer to the equator and somewhat on where you are in the timezone it also matters less. The length of daylight changes less the closer to the equator you are, for instance if you go to the Caribbean you find the length of daylight is close to 6am-6pm 365 days a year and only fluctuates about 30 mins, one way or the other.

This is also why it should really be up to the states and not the fed because the time change means much more to Iowa or MN than it does to Florida, etc. Both because the daylight shift is not as big, and because they have better weather year round.

This is also why a state like AZ has done away with it, it makes sense there, not so much in the northern states.
 

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I get that.

I also get that the closer to the equator and somewhat on where you are in the timezone it also matters less. The length of daylight changes less the closer to the equator you are, for instance if you go to the Caribbean you find the length of daylight is close to 6am-6pm 365 days a year and only fluctuates about 30 mins, one way or the other.

This is also why it should really be up to the states and not the fed because the time change means much more to Iowa or MN than it does to Florida, etc. Both because the daylight shift is not as big, and because they have better weather year round.

This is also why a state like AZ has done away with it, it makes sense there, not so much in the northern states.

Yup it was awesome when we were in Grenada a couple weeks ago.
 
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This is all good.

Again I'm neutral on it but personally kind of like the changes in some ways; sleeping in during the fall change and I like when the sun is all of the sudden out longer in March.

I do disagree with comparing it to going out or watching movies late at night since those are choices and don't involve a time change.
My point on that is, one of the big complaints about the time change is that the change in sleep (mostly the spring forward and loss of sleep) supposedly drastically affects ones health. But most of those studies show that affect only lasts the first day of the change, by the second the change is nullified. But these studies dont compare the same with times you choose to stay up late or get up early, for whatever reason,(movie, bar, etc) and change your sleep schedule, which would have the same affect on your body. And as I said I dont believe anyone has such a regimented schedule that they never change their sleep schedule, no one. And as those studies show a day or 2 and you are back to normal, similar to if you stay out on a Saturday night, after a couple days your body has recovered. So, the idea that the time change somehow drastically affects your health is mostly bunk.
 
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I think everyone that doesn't want to go to standard time all year is soft, the clock won't change from now on, adjust to it and move on.

Fwiw I'm kidding, I could care less either way, just wanted to throw that take out there since it's been one sided the other way :jimlad:
 

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Permanent DST was implemented in 1974. It was supposed to be a two-year test. People hated it so much the government canceled the test after only a few months.

I was there. It was pretty depressing, going to school in pitch darkness, with that darkness outside the school windows lasting until after 8:30.

Honestly this is wild to me because I get to work in darkness every single day all winter. Usually I can leave by 4 and briefly see the sun, but if I work a bit late it's dark both directions.

I would far prefer having sunset in the winter be 5-5:30 to give yourself another hour of sunlight to "get stuff done" or anything outside compared to the current Standard Time situation.

But it's not exactly a hill I would die on.

The one person I've interacted with who strongly prefers standard time in the winter raised cattle and dreaded doing morning chores in pitch black darkness all winter, which I can understand.
 

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Wonder why there’s no articles telling us that it’s dangerous for our health to travel across time zones?
have you checked all of Mother Jone's or Salon's archives?

Feel like they would write a compelling piece about traveling through fly-over country being bad for your health.
 
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Honestly this is wild to me because I get to work in darkness every single day all winter. Usually I can leave by 4 and briefly see the sun, but if I work a bit late it's dark both directions.

I would far prefer having sunset in the winter be 5-5:30 to give yourself another hour of sunlight to "get stuff done" or anything outside compared to the current Standard Time situation.

But it's not exactly a hill I would die on.

The one person I've interacted with who strongly prefers standard time in the winter raised cattle and dreaded doing morning chores in pitch black darkness all winter, which I can understand.
From what I have found one of the biggest issues when they tried perm DST, was kids going to school in the dark all winter. Again I understand a minority get on the bus early before daylight no matter what, but having DST all winter would make it so EVERYONE, and the entire bus route, everyone walking, etc all would be in the dark, including around the first hour of school sometime. Most feel this is unsafe. And looking out for kids is more important than adults.

One of the biggest proponents of Perm DST claimed that it would make the evening rush hour safer, because there would be more driving in the daylight. But it causes the opposite effect in the morning, and would cause school traffic to be less safe, which is a big issue, and he refused to acknowledge that.

With the time change the majority of kids go to and return from school in the daylight, with perm DST, all of them would go to school in the dark. And going permanent standard time, does not solve people complaint in the winter with less evening light, and most will lose daylight in the summer as the hour of daylight would move from the 8pm hour to the 4am hour, when most are still in bed.
 

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