I would say it shows that the vast, vast majority of the time its all about talent, given that the vast majority of schools fall in there somewhere. Coaching can affect that to a small degree, but talent is clearly the overriding factor here.
Deadspin: Proves ISU is Right Where They Should Be.
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I would say it shows that the vast, vast majority of the time its all about talent, given that the vast majority of schools fall in there somewhere. Coaching can affect that to a small degree, but talent is clearly the overriding factor here.
Ha yeah, the chart shows they are getting almost exactly what their recruiting says they should be.
His comment was about getting kids into school that couldn't get in elsewhere. Generally who is recruiting a player leads to how well that player is ranked. If there is no chance of a player getting into a school the big boys will not touch them which means their ranking will suffer so the talent may be there but not the ranking.
I think this might be a moot point since I don't think BSU can play as liberally with non-qualifiers and partial qualifiers as they used to. I may be wrong, but that is what I recall hearing.
I agree it tells us that it is the clearly an important variable (and as long as you are decent in the other fields perhaps the most important). Talent evaluation, on field coaching and development together can raise performance however very significantly. Boise State performed 53 spots ahead where their recruiting predicted and kansas 49 spots below. That is a variance of 102 spots between really good talent evaluation/development/coaching and really bad. It clearly matters and demonstrates there are other variables beyond just recruiting. This article says nothing except that recruiting is a meaningful variable and actually matters. Who in their right mind wouldn't agree with that? So of course when one variable that has real value goes up performance goes up. This is an example of trying to over simplify based on our ability to only clearly measure one variable easily. It really proves nothing more than common sense would tell you.
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Considering our recruiting isn't very impressive, having as many kids in the league as we have since Rhoads has been here should tell you he can definitely develop players.
Not buying it.
We have one starter at the position in the least demand in the NFL (or close with RBs, maybe) in Osemele.
Then we have Klein and Johnson who are on 53 man rosters but not starters.
And finally practice squad players in George and Knott.
So a 2nd rounder, 2 5th rounders, and two UDFAs.
I love ISU football but you are vastly overestimating our professional football presence.
Probably because the one thing ISU football does extremely, extremely well is marketing.
Paul Rhoads is elite at motivating players and getting them to play hard, but honestly development is definitely not special, and probably around average in this program.
That chart looks to me like a plot of how teams were 5 years ago versus how they are now.
One thing I always wonder is whether the recruiting rankings really tell us much besides how good a team was the past couple years. I'd love to see some analysis about programs that made dramatic turnarounds and started winning. Did the recruiting rankings get better first and start predicting wins or did the team start winning and the recruiting rankings followed?
One thing I always wonder is whether the recruiting rankings really tell us much besides how good a team was the past couple years. I'd love to see some analysis about programs that made dramatic turnarounds and started winning. Did the recruiting rankings get better first and start predicting wins or did the team start winning and the recruiting rankings followed?
Yep. Lots of excitement for very marginal football teams, and really not too good with fundamentals, i.e. it seems every game I watch that's not ISU, things like tackling and blocking seem to be on a whole different level.
Interesting.
Interesting. Oklahoma State has six players on the Dallas Cowboys' roster, alone:Weeden, Dez Bryant, Dan Bailey, Joseph Randle, Orie Lemon and Tyler Patmon. Really is helping us in recruiting in the DFW area.
Far more people have been in the league than you are giving credit, and due to my lazyness I'm not going to get all the names. but the point is people are getting there. Just because they aren't 10 year power house players doesn't mean he can't develop players. You're not going to recruit high level skills players to Ames Iowa. Never have, probably never will.
I'm just glad I'm not an SMU fan. How depressing would it be to get beat by 40 every week then get told you're actually outperforming your talent by a lot? Yikes..
