Defense
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OSU has top ten talent with top 150 focus. I think our guys played a hell of a road game. Just couldn't get a break down the stretch with all the calls going the wrong way.
The NBA also has spacing a lot like ours so it makes it harder to play defense against some of the top players in the world. We aren't playing teams that are that good at spacing, we are playing other college teams.
Amen Brother those 2 players were the difference in this game.
Time for Fred to start recruiting McDonald's All Americans !!
ISU is pretty small and not very strong inside. If you want to see bad defense, re-watch some of Orr's teams on the road. You knew there was almost no chance of ISU winning a game on the road back then.
I agree with Orr's teams playing no D and being horrible on the road. I guess my point is that we need to either recruit or emphasize D more so that we can take the next step and win games like this on the road. Same could be said for Texas Tech. We should be able to win an ugly game like that on the road against a crappy team.
We made 13 3's and shot 54% from the field and from 3. You can't really expect to score more than we did last night when you're on the road. If you can't win with those offensive numbers, D is probably the issue then.
Tim Floyd never won at Okie State and I'm guessing his teams didn't perform as well at Okie State as Hoiberg's teams have.
Hopefully Fred never coaches like Tim Floyd.
That's our trade off for the players we recruit offensively. Georges is never going to be an elite defender so we just expect him to be scoring more than he gives up. Same story goes with Ejim when he's playing inside. Undersized players will only go so far because not very many of them are Kenny Pratt. Booker is who you'd like to be the guy on the inside but obviously that experiment isn't working out.
I would like to see something similar to the spacing video with Otz and be defense oriented.
ISU has some different philosophies on defense. They play pretty low pressure defense, which can be effective, but it can also seem like they aren't playing very hard.
ISU has some different philosophies on defense. They play pretty low pressure defense, which can be effective, but it can also seem like they aren't playing very hard.
i wish georges and ejim would stop the stupid "arms straight up i'm not fouling him but i really am" move. just move your feet and flop and we'd pick up 3-4 charges per game.
georges defense is actually pretty good - he moves his feet and is usually in good position. he's getting better and stopping his stupid fouls too. if booker or gibson moved like niang (sad but true) we'd have something.
georges defense is actually pretty good - he moves his feet and is usually in good position. he's getting better and stopping his stupid fouls too. if booker or gibson moved like niang (sad but true) we'd have something.
About the only defensive stat (conference stats only) where ISU fares pretty well is in the defense of the 3 pt. shot, where they rank 4th in the conference. I'm not sure that is a reflection of ISU's defense or the inability of the other team to hit from behind the arc.
ISU is dead last in both steals and blocked shots. On blocked shots.....it is not even close. The closet team to ISU in blocked shots has nearly twice as many.
I really think that every Division I MBB team has to have at least one 6 10 or above shot blocker on its team. That player does not have to start, but has to be available when defensive stops are needed. It doesn't mean that person will always block every shot, but even the threat of a block can change the other team's offensive plan. IMO, ISU has problems with its interior defense and a shot blocker could help that.
In regards to steals....that is all about your guards. ISU's are pretty well balanced in the number of steals, with McGee leading the team, but the others not far behind. Hopefully, the new recruits will be better at this. Monte seems to do well in that area, but then it is high school, so it is hard to judge his level of competition.
I think defense needs to be much more emphasized with ISU under CFH. It's interesting if you look at FH's stats from ISU. His first year.....he had 65 steals in 34 games (which is a better average per game than ISU currently averages AS A TEAM). By his senior year, that number had dropped steadily to 39 steals in 34 games, probably a reflection of Orr's emphasis on offense rather than defense. Maybe that same attitude exists today.
Obviously a great offense will win you a lot of games. However, there are other good offensive teams out there, and sometimes a little more defense is necessary. Several of these losses (if not all of them) could have been wins if ISU had the capability of shutting down another team even for a few possessions at a critical time in the game.
ISU is dead last in both steals and blocked shots. On blocked shots.....it is not even close. The closet team to ISU in blocked shots has nearly twice as many.
I really think that every Division I MBB team has to have at least one 6 10 or above shot blocker on its team. That player does not have to start, but has to be available when defensive stops are needed. It doesn't mean that person will always block every shot, but even the threat of a block can change the other team's offensive plan. IMO, ISU has problems with its interior defense and a shot blocker could help that.
In regards to steals....that is all about your guards. ISU's are pretty well balanced in the number of steals, with McGee leading the team, but the others not far behind. Hopefully, the new recruits will be better at this. Monte seems to do well in that area, but then it is high school, so it is hard to judge his level of competition.
I think defense needs to be much more emphasized with ISU under CFH. It's interesting if you look at FH's stats from ISU. His first year.....he had 65 steals in 34 games (which is a better average per game than ISU currently averages AS A TEAM). By his senior year, that number had dropped steadily to 39 steals in 34 games, probably a reflection of Orr's emphasis on offense rather than defense. Maybe that same attitude exists today.
Obviously a great offense will win you a lot of games. However, there are other good offensive teams out there, and sometimes a little more defense is necessary. Several of these losses (if not all of them) could have been wins if ISU had the capability of shutting down another team even for a few possessions at a critical time in the game.
That was bad defense....like no defense...we want to get the ball back for offense...
We can all talk about shot blockers, etc. but I don't think that's the problem. Remember the Butler's teams a couple years ago that went to the National Championship game, they played great defense, but they didn't have a lot of steals or blocked shots if I remember correctly. Instead they just played good fundamental defense. Stay low, hand in the face, move your feet, hedge screens, rotate when a player has to help or double team, box out and rebound.
Well, for the people who wanted Tyrus to start ahead of Babb, defense is the reason Babb starts. As much offensive punch as Tyrus gives us, he is not great on defense.
You know your team defense is bad when you are secretly hoping for an early foul in a tie-game situation where the other team is holding for the last shot.
Did anyone else feel the same way? Would've almost rather been down 2 with 20 seconds with the ball than tied while praying they don't get a bucket to win. I know its not rational and you can never intentionally foul there, but our offense was unstoppable.
Did anyone else feel the same way? Would've almost rather been down 2 with 20 seconds with the ball than tied while praying they don't get a bucket to win. I know its not rational and you can never intentionally foul there, but our offense was unstoppable.
The defense was bad during those last 7 minutes or so. One key turning point was when someone for Ok St. was driving through the lane so Lucious, instead of staying out on Paige Jr. decides to drop down and help, leaving the 3-point shot wide open and he buries it. Just little things like knowing who you're guarding...you don't leave that little white guy open outside, how hard is that??
Try to rank the players for defense?
Babb>GN>ME>WC>KL>TM>Booker>Bubu>Percy>Rulzzz
Agree.....defense is about sticking with your guy, hustling, smart switches, etc. I actually would prefer we only try to block shots if the guy is good at it. I hate when someone averages 1 block per 5 fouls.
Your player evaluations of defense are more terrible than Ejim's 4th foul last night.
