Did Texas unintentionally save the Big 12?

[BMWallace]

http://landgrantgauntlet.com/2017/07/25/how-texas-saved-the-big-12/

An interesting thought on the fallout from the 2010 conference realignment. Do you think the Third-Tier media rights put the Big 12 in a position to expand in the coming years or is the conference doomed to be pulled apart when the realignment shuffle begins again?

 

[JP4CY]

Interesting article. It mentions the ACC. Can any school realistically leave that conference with their GOR?

 

[CycloneErik]

Interesting article. It mentions the ACC. Can any school realistically leave that conference with their GOR?

Conventional wisdom has been that no one could, unless enough left to disintegrate the conference.

But if someone can, then we have targets we could poach, and our conference is also extremely vulnerable.

If not, then all of this is pretty much moot for a few years, and just brought up for page clicks and drama.

 

[mikesright]

If you have followed the Big 12 media deals and conference distributions over the years you would realize that allowing Texas or Oklahoma extra room at the feeding table is nothing new for the conference. It used to be that the Big 12 would assign you money based on the number and quality of appearances on television, so ISU would end up reaping around $7 million while Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma would be in the $12-14 million range on the old deal while the rest were in the middle somewhere.

Keeping Texas happy has long been a key to keeping the conference together and fatter. The problem is that in the long run, no one is happy with being one of the runts.

 

[CyTwins]

If you have followed the Big 12 media deals and conference distributions over the years you would realize that allowing Texas or Oklahoma extra room at the feeding table is nothing new for the conference. It used to be that the Big 12 would assign you money based on the number and quality of appearances on television, so ISU would end up reaping around $7 million while Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma would be in the $12-14 million range on the old deal while the rest were in the middle somewhere.

Keeping Texas happy has long been a key to keeping the conference together and fatter. The problem is that in the long run, no one is happy with being one of the runts.

Why do you follow Big 12 media deals and conference distributions?

 

[KnappShack]

Why do you follow Big 12 media deals and conference distributions?

One bad one and ISU is looking for a new home.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

The conference financials released a few weeks back was absolutely eye opening for all the Big 12 is dead crowd.

Basically at this point it would cost an ACC tema a ton of money to leave the conference and that team/teams would have to have a really good reason to leave.

However, the Pac 12 is vulnerable and Arizona, Arizona St, and even Colorado could be ripe for the picking in a few years. If those 3 schools are added, then the conference could afford to go after Houston and Cincinnati.

Texas is an important cog in the whole realignment deal but IMO it's equally important to keep OU happy because the SEC will be calling.

 

[Cat Stevens]

If you have followed the Big 12 media deals and conference distributions over the years you would realize that allowing Texas or Oklahoma extra room at the feeding table is nothing new for the conference. It used to be that the Big 12 would assign you money based on the number and quality of appearances on television, so ISU would end up reaping around $7 million while Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma would be in the $12-14 million range on the old deal while the rest were in the middle somewhere.

Keeping Texas happy has long been a key to keeping the conference together and fatter. The problem is that in the long run, no one is happy with being one of the runts.

The problem for Iowa state and Kansas state are that we don't truly have any other viable alternative landing spots will pay to the level the big 12 is right now. So we need to embrace going along for the ride, because that's exactly what we are doing.

 

[CyTwins]

One bad one and ISU is looking for a new home.

He's a Hawkeye fan, that's why I asked

 

[mikesright]

Why do you follow Big 12 media deals and conference distributions?

I follow college football in general. Its the offseason. I live in Iowa and these figures are reported on by places like the Register. It's significant in terms of your schools resources to win or improve their program versus competitors. I also follow ACC, PAC12, Big 10, and SEC with the USA today rankings.

here's a link, I was off with some of the numbers:

https://www.barkingcarnival.com/2010/05/13/unequal-revenue-sharing-in-the-big-12

And btw, the "runts" comment is not a shot at Iowa St. I think everyone outside of Texas wants equal revenue sharing, the end of BevoTV and a shared conference network.

 

[KnappShack]

He's a Hawkeye fan, that's why I asked

Ahhh. I watch even though I hate the business side of college athletics.... But I. Can't. Look. Away

 

[CascadeClone]

I agree. I posted in one of the realignment mega threads a year or two ago, that the biggest schools (Ohio St, Michigan, etc) would be better off with no conference network, and hogging their tier 3 rights for themselves. Thus making the Big12 actually MORE attractive to those kinds of schools.

At what point will an Ohio St say "why are we subsidizing Rutgers when our content is so much more valuable?" What might happen if those kinds of questions get asked? Conference contraction?

I doubt Texa$ did this on purpose, foreseeing Netflix, Hulu, etc, but it does seem to have worked out OK.

 

[scyclonekid]

Interesting article. It mentions the ACC. Can any school realistically leave that conference with their GOR?

Yes texass

 

[Gunnerclone]

Hok fan herre. Big 12 gong down conference not link the Big Ten historic protect rivalries like nationally relevant big ten. I'll be watching tvs at the bar by the trailer park for big 12 gong down hoks make most money lik brows high school stadium going to the MAC with UNLV. @big10rewls @big10networks

 

[isucy86]

... However, the Pac 12 is vulnerable and Arizona, Arizona St, and even Colorado could be ripe for the picking in a few years. If those 3 schools are added, then the conference could afford to go after Houston and Cincinnati.

Texas is an important cog in the whole realignment deal but IMO it's equally important to keep OU happy because the SEC will be calling.

ASU, AZ and CU would not be the end game in a Big12 poach of the Pac12. Realignment has ALWAYS been about bringing the max new viewers to the conference. In the future subscribers to a pay service might be the draw for adding teams. Texas/OU aren't staying put to add AZ, CU, Utah, etc. The targets would be big market teams like USC, UCLA, UW. Stanford would be attractive as a No. Cal team and academics.

 

[Cyclonetbone]

Hok fan herre. Big 12 gong down conference not link the Big Ten historic protect rivalries like nationally relevant big ten. I'll be watching tvs at the bar by the trailer park for big 12 gong down hoks make most money lik brows high school stadium going to the MAC with UNLV. @big10rewls @big10networks

I need a translation... anyone speak trailerfolk? I tried ductaping my shoe and making out with my sister but it really is a second language for me... is there a Rosetta Stone for this?

 

[Gunnerclone]

ASU, AZ and CU would not be the end game in a Big12 poach of the Pac12. Realignment has ALWAYS been about bringing the max new viewers to the conference. In the future subscribers to a pay service might be the draw for adding teams. Texas/OU aren't staying put to add AZ, CU, Utah, etc. The targets would be big market teams like USC!UCLA, UW

Phoenix, Denver, and SLC are not bad markets to have outside of the seaboards.

 

[CycloneErik]

I need a translation... anyone speak trailerfolk? I tried ductaping my shoe and making out with my sister but it really is a second language for me... is there a Rosetta Stone for this?

No software. You'd have to whack yourself in the skull with a brick. It's not worth it.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Hok fan herre. Big 12 gong down conference not link the Big Ten historic protect rivalries like nationally relevant big ten. I'll be watching tvs at the bar by the trailer park for big 12 gong down hoks make most money lik brows high school stadium going to the MAC with UNLV. @big10rewls @big10networks

That's solid. Just real solid work. Nice job

 

[Gorm]

Cable model is over. The next round of realignment will be about eyeballs. The Big 12 will always have a landing spot for 4-6 for the top Pac-12 Brands. Teams like Washington State with their "Mountain west" support, will be left out.