Does Steve Prohm have a new unofficial standard?

[Cydwinder]

OP must be drunk or high

 

[Go2Guy]

Compare ISU to Purdue, they have a little better history than ISU, have had a good run the last 15 years, have a good program, yet Matt Painter has been the Elite 8 once and the Sweet 16, 5 times. Sometimes you have to be happy and enjoy what you have.

Let's go off track and discuss Painter's success.
I'm not aware of him every coming up for mention on other openings - has the media thrown out his name, or has he ever interviewed ?Heck of a coach and impressive record and runs a clean program (relative).
As a thought, after McD left for Creighton, I wondered if we could have had a legit chance?

 

[besserheimerphat]

Johnny Majors won a National Championship 4 years after leaving Ames. Does Campbell know his job is on the line?

Gene Chizik did it in two!!!

 

[Cydar]

We DO have a deep, long-standing tradition as a computer science school.

You want athletics? How about gymnastics?

/jimlad

The Fighting Atanasoffs.

 

[Torks Pub]

And a men’s gymnastics school

I'm Ed Gangier, and I approve this message.

 

[Rogue52]

Of everything going on here, I'm still stuck on the thread title:

Does Steve Prohm Have A New Unofficial Standard?

What is the official standard? and where is it documented?

 

[WalkingCY]

 

[Cyforce]

Gene Chizik did it in two!!!

We don't have SEC money to spend.

 

[Leidang]

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that in 4 years or so Fred Hoiberg is regularly getting beyond the first round in the NCAA tournament and Steve Prohm is not. Should Hoiberg's success at Nebraska be used as a standard for what we should expect from Steve Prohm here? Would it be reasonable to expect Prohm to do at least as well here as Hoiberg does at Nebraska?

If it goes the other way can we never hear about Mr. Hoiberg again? Please?

 

[CyOps]

 

[bosco]

Hoiberg brought ISU basketball back from the dead. And I'll be forever grateful for that because the McDermott years SUCKED.

But let's not pretend Fred Hoiberg was some amazing success here that we haven't seen before. He went had ONE Sweet 16 and 2 conference tournament titles with probably the most cumulative talent we've had at Iowa State (Nader, Burton, Niang, Naz, Monte NBA guys, Matt Thomas who is killing it in Europe and several other professional players).

Prohm has matched that success and had to fill the massive recruiting hold Fred left us in.

Outside of his player status, I have no clue why so many people are clamoring for him back...

This pretty much sums it up.

 

[heitclone]

Let's go off track and discuss Painter's success.
I'm not aware of him every coming up for mention on other openings - has the media thrown out his name, or has he ever interviewed ?Heck of a coach and impressive record and runs a clean program (relative).
As a thought, after McD left for Creighton, I wondered if we could have had a legit chance?

I know this is a sore subject right now with the Hoiberg stuff but Painter played at Purdue under Gene Keady and was hired as a coach in waiting when Keady was on his way out. Purdue is/was his dream job, we never would have had a chance with him, not sure anyone would.

He's a really good example of a school sticking with a coach though, after some initial success of 6 straight tourneys, 4 first round wins and 2 Sweet 16's, he went 4 years without winning a tourney game. That "rough" stretch included missing the tourney twice (one CBI qtr final appearance) and two first round exits. In the 3 years since, he's gone to 2 Sweet 16's and will play for the Final Four tomorrow. Plenty of Purdue fans wanted him gone after the couple seasons he struggled, basically because they thought their program wasn't meeting their standards, the standards he helped set.

Prohm doesn't have quite as big a sample size but its a pretty similar situation with some fans thinking he's not getting it done unless he's always in the Sweet 16. Painter went to 2 Sweet 16's in his first 5 seasons at Purdue, it took him 6 more years to get his 3rd. Just food for thought for the people who think Prohm should be living in the Sweet 16 or beyond.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that in 4 years or so Fred Hoiberg is regularly getting beyond the first round in the NCAA tournament and Steve Prohm is not. Should Hoiberg's success at Nebraska be used as a standard for what we should expect from Steve Prohm here? Would it be reasonable to expect Prohm to do at least as well here as Hoiberg does at Nebraska?

I think so. Iowa State has a DEEP tradition and history in basketball. For all the years that we sucked in football, we regarded ISU as a "basketball school". I don't care who is coaching at Nebraska, we should be able to do as well as a school with next to no history in the sport, and which as of right now still has NO NCAA tournament wins.

I think Pollard giving Prohm a contract extension is going to haunt him.

The fans think ISU has this. In reality, it doesn't. It just seems this way because the football program has been so miserable.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Here are the records in conference play for our former coaches going back to Johnny:

JO -- 79-117
Floyd -- 30-30
LE -- 42-38
Morgan -- 22-26
McDermott -- 18-46
Mayor -- 49-39
Prohm -- 35-37

I'd say Mayor did pretty well at ISU.

For a program with such historical success, our coaches sure have had a tough go. Two guys over .500 and one if them is barely there!

 

[cycloneworld]

Here are the records in conference play for our former coaches going back to Johnny:

JO -- 79-117
Floyd -- 30-30
LE -- 42-38
Morgan -- 22-26
McDermott -- 18-46
Mayor -- 49-39
Prohm -- 35-37

I'd say Mayor did pretty well at ISU.

He definitely did pretty well. But he also left a massive talent hole that caused Prohm to go 4-14 in the league. So conference records are definitely skewed.

Unless you are going to win a regular season title (something he didn’t do with loads of talent), then conference record is pretty much irrelevant and overall success is more important. And as I pointed out, Prohm’s overall success matches Hoiberg’s. Except Hoiberg lost as a 3 seed and Prohm lost as a 6.

 

[jsb]

Let's go off track and discuss Painter's success.
I'm not aware of him every coming up for mention on other openings - has the media thrown out his name, or has he ever interviewed ?Heck of a coach and impressive record and runs a clean program (relative).
As a thought, after McD left for Creighton, I wondered if we could have had a legit chance?

Isn't he a Purdue alum? It's probably his dream job.

In all seriousness, I think he was looking for jobs several years ago and the Purdue fans were looking to get rid of him.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that in 4 years or so Fred Hoiberg is regularly getting beyond the first round in the NCAA tournament and Steve Prohm is not. Should Hoiberg's success at Nebraska be used as a standard for what we should expect from Steve Prohm here? Would it be reasonable to expect Prohm to do at least as well here as Hoiberg does at Nebraska?

I think so. Iowa State has a DEEP tradition and history in basketball. For all the years that we sucked in football, we regarded ISU as a "basketball school". I don't care who is coaching at Nebraska, we should be able to do as well as a school with next to no history in the sport, and which as of right now still has NO NCAA tournament wins.

I think Pollard giving Prohm a contract extension is going to haunt him.

Do we compare Prohm to Bill Self, or Brice Drew, or Tom Izzo, or or or? Fred moved on from us. I see no reason why he should be the gold standard for what Prohm does here. And quite frankly, what makes you think Fred will stay at Nebraska for four years?

 

[NWICY]

Can the mods please give the OP a little vacation just a day or so for being a dumb *ss?

 

[LutherBlue]

Here are the records in conference play for our former coaches going back to Johnny:

JO -- 79-117
Floyd -- 30-30
LE -- 42-38
Morgan -- 22-26
McDermott -- 18-46
Mayor -- 49-39
Prohm -- 35-37

I'd say Mayor did pretty well at ISU.

Those conference records scream “deep basketball tradition”

 

[ImJustKCClone]

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