Emiah leaving team

[cyclone13]

The horror!

Apparently, "Emiah's decision" to leave wasn't basketball related. Yeah, ok.

Women

Weird. "Pressed for details behind the decision, Ray Bingley declined further comment. Asked if there is mutual respect between the Bingley family and Iowa State coach Bill Fennelly, he responded, “No comment.”

So non-basketball reason but don't want to comment on mutual respect ?

 

[mitten1975]

Weird. "Pressed for details behind the decision, Ray Bingley declined further comment. Asked if there is mutual respect between the Bingley family and Iowa State coach Bill Fennelly, he responded, “No comment.” So non-basketball reason but don't want to comment on mutual respect ?

Maybe in a couple of weeks we will find out more. Maybe not. Actually, I believe the Bingleys would be better off not offering any more information. They have already done more than enough.

 

[mitten1975]

Speaking of Nisleit, SIAP:

Great story, I don't get channel 5 out here or I would have watched.

 

[acoustimac]

Here's the big picture folks. Kids today (and parents at times) are different than they used to be. I had a nice chat with someone close to women's basketball at a national level today. The person said that many kids today (this is a generalization of course as there are exceptions) don't know what commitment is. The first sign of adversity and they abandon ship instead of facing life and dealing with it. It gets even worse when you add parents that constantly rescue their kids instead of helping them to grow through the good and bad of life. I'm not pointing at Emiah or Ray for that matter, but making the point that things are different than they were even 10 years ago. Some of you brought up Niz as an example and she is a perfect one of strength, persistence, and commitment. We def need more of that. Its "easy" to judge basketball skills, but far more difficult to judge a personality and depth of character.

 

[cyclone13]

Maybe in a couple of weeks we will find out more. Maybe not. Actually, I believe the Bingleys would be better off not offering any more information. They have already done more than enough.

+1
I'm not holding my breath either. The Bingleys don't look good coming out of this situation IMHO.

 

[CycloneErik]

Here's the big picture folks. Kids today (and parents at times) are different than they used to be. I had a nice chat with someone close to women's basketball at a national level today. The person said that many kids today (this is a generalization of course as there are exceptions) don't know what commitment is. The first sign of adversity and they abandon ship instead of facing life and dealing with it. It gets even worse when you add parents that constantly rescue their kids instead of helping them to grow through the good and bad of life. I'm not pointing at Emiah or Ray for that matter, but making the point that things are different than they were even 10 years ago. Some of you brought up Niz as an example and she is a perfect one of strength, persistence, and commitment. We def need more of that. Its "easy" to judge basketball skills, but far more difficult to judge a personality and depth of character.

That's crap. Let's pile on to college freshmen for making decisions. Absolute crap.

Every generation says that the previous one is weaker and doesn't have the fortitude that they pretend to have had. This kind of post is just "circle the wagons" garbage.

Why not simply say "It turned out that ISU wasn't for Emiah, and that's fine for both sides" and then move on?

 

[mitten1975]

That's crap. Let's pile on to college freshmen for making decisions. Absolute crap.

Every generation says that the previous one is weaker and doesn't have the fortitude that they pretend to have had. This kind of post is just "circle the wagons" garbage.

Why not simply say "It turned out that ISU wasn't for Emiah, and that's fine for both sides" and then move on?

I agree, we were talking about being presumptuous before, and now we are being presumptuous again although from the other extreme. This is something we just need to let go, and hope it doesn't end in total train wreck, and most of all, hope everyone involved learns from it. If we would keep that learning attitude, rather than tighten down on our hard formed preconceptions, we would all be better off.

 

[twistedredbird]

That's crap. Let's pile on to college freshmen for making decisions. Absolute crap.

Every generation says that the previous one is weaker and doesn't have the fortitude that they pretend to have had. This kind of post is just "circle the wagons" garbage.

Why not simply say "It turned out that ISU wasn't for Emiah, and that's fine for both sides" and then move on?

Do some research about the millennial generation. Some of the attitudes they have are really scary. They are not real good team players, have poor coping skills, expect to be catered to, and expect everything for free.

I have a YP group I work with. Their expectations versus their reality is beyond just the normal generation issues. They have serious entitlement issues, and are reeking havoc on the workforce and almost require micro-management.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

That's crap. Let's pile on to college freshmen for making decisions. Absolute crap.

Every generation says that the previous one is weaker and doesn't have the fortitude that they pretend to have had. This kind of post is just "circle the wagons" garbage.

Why not simply say "It turned out that ISU wasn't for Emiah, and that's fine for both sides" and then move on?

I'm fine with that. It's the fools who point to Fennelly's coaching style (read: he yells too much for their precious little ears to take) as the cause everytime someone gets their feelings hurt. Especially when they have absolutely no inside information.

 

[CycloneErik]

I agree, we were talking about being presumptuous before, and now we are being presumptuous again although from the other extreme. This is something we just need to let go, and hope it doesn't end in total train wreck, and most of all, hope everyone involved learns from it. If we would keep that learning attitude, rather than tighten down on our hard formed preconceptions, we would all be better off.

Right. It's the same spiel that we had going when players transferred from McDermott. It never goes well. There are two options:

1. Move on.

2. Start the big fiery debate with two polarized sides:
a. "Youth today aren't tough enough." vs.
b. "Competent coaches with character learn to adapt to changing youth if they want to work with them. Otherwise, they adopt a self-defeating stubborn ignorance that drags a program to the gutter." This is based on an assumption of generational change in youth that doesn't really bear out in reality.

She left. She felt it was the best choice for her. That doesn't mean she lacks character or has terrible parentage. It doesn't mean that Fennelly is out of touch, too aggressive, or the center of all problems. All that it really means right now is that she made a choice that she felt would be best for her. Welcome to the world.

 

[BoxsterCy]

The horror!

Apparently, "Emiah's decision" to leave wasn't basketball related. Yeah, ok.

Women

Wow, not only helicopter dad talking but we get AAU coach guy weighing in? It is "not about basketball" but let me brag a little about the schools already courting my girl. What a bunch of freakin' BS. Maybe Coach should have been running his coaching decisions past AAU guy?
:sad:

 

[DistrictCyclone]

Here's the big picture folks. Kids today (and parents at times) are different than they used to be. I had a nice chat with someone close to women's basketball at a national level today. The person said that many kids today (this is a generalization of course as there are exceptions) don't know what commitment is. The first sign of adversity and they abandon ship instead of facing life and dealing with it. It gets even worse when you add parents that constantly rescue their kids instead of helping them to grow through the good and bad of life. I'm not pointing at Emiah or Ray for that matter, but making the point that things are different than they were even 10 years ago. Some of you brought up Niz as an example and she is a perfect one of strength, persistence, and commitment. We def need more of that. Its "easy" to judge basketball skills, but far more difficult to judge a personality and depth of character.

Holy broad generalization based on events usually occurring for undisclosed reasons that you haven't the faintest understanding of, Batman!

Blame the kids. No, blame the parents. Wait, blame society. Blame Canada! I won't be happy until I can blame someone!!!

 

[CycloneErik]

Holy broad generalization based on events usually occurring for undisclosed reasons that you haven't the faintest understanding of, Batman!

Blame the kids. No, blame the parents. Wait, blame society. Blame Canada! I won't be happy until I can blame someone!!!

I'm cool with blaming Canada. I usually end up with that.

 

[mitten1975]

There is no doubt, this dad and mom are obsessed about their kid. Obviously there is good there, and there may be bad. What makes it bad is when the parents become absolutely blind to see any blame on their own child. We don't know that is what happened, truthfully we don't know anything and it is probably better for everyone involved if we don't. There is a comfort in blissful ignorance. :wink0st: These things become like soap operas.

 

[Dryburn]

After reading the latest Trib article....this whole thing is even more confusing. "Not basketball-related"? How can that possibly be true? She is quitting the basketball team......that in itself is basketball related isn't it? Then the "no comment" about the mutual respect.

This whole situation is making less and less sense the more we don't learn about it.

I will say this though......if there is any kind of pattern at all over the last few years as to why these players are leaving......whether it is BF yelling, promises made to recruits versus reality, player conflicts, classwork, assistant coaches not doing their job, player living arrangements, whatever.......I hope the staff is not so stubborn with the "Iowa State way" that they don't recognize the problem(s) and make the necessary adjustments.

 

[cyclone13]

After reading the latest Trib article....this whole thing is even more confusing. "Not basketball-related"? How can that possibly be true? She is quitting the basketball team......that in itself is basketball related isn't it? Then the "no comment" about the mutual respect.

This whole situation is making less and less sense the more we don't learn about it.

I will say this though......if there is any kind of pattern at all over the last few years as to why these players are leaving......whether it is BF yelling, promises made to recruits versus reality, player conflicts, classwork, assistant coaches not doing their job, player living arrangements, whatever.......I hope the staff is not so stubborn with the "Iowa State way" that they don't recognize the problem(s) and make the necessary adjustments.

Player living arrangements: I'm not sure whether it is arranged by the staff. Anybody can chime in ?
Classwork: what adjustments can be made ? The student athletes have responsibilities to finish their classwork. One of my teammate in my 1st year MBA at ISU was a starter in the football team. Never once he missed class unless he had to travel. He never missed any of our team meetings.
With BF yelling: a lot of posters here have touched, it's BF's way, the recruits have seen him yelling during the practice sessions and the games.

We'll never know what cause some players to transfer and they might not be due to the coaching staff's faults/problems.

 

[CRAZYGREG]

After that atricle and statement - nevermind what I said about being on Em's side. I am COMPLETELY on the other side now. That is just a HORRIBLE statement and now I am glad that she is not on the team. We don't need people like that here at ISU. Good bye Em, please never come back.

 

[cyclone13]

After that atricle and statement - nevermind what I said about being on Em's side. I am COMPLETELY on the other side now. That is just a HORRIBLE statement and now I am glad that she is not on the team. We don't need people like that here at ISU. Good bye Em, please never come back.

One thing that really bugs me is the story that they just called BF on the phone. Call me old school, but I believe in the common courtesy. What one or two day(s) difference would make for a transfer ?

 

[AlumfromAmes]

After that atricle and statement - nevermind what I said about being on Em's side. I am COMPLETELY on the other side now. That is just a HORRIBLE statement and now I am glad that she is not on the team. We don't need people like that here at ISU. Good bye Em, please never come back.

Hmmm... Not sure I read anything in the article that would have pushed me one direction or the other, especially as strongly as it seemed to have pushed you. Not being critical, just wondering what your read that drew such a strong reaction.

Emiah probably knew that Coach Fennelly would be tough to play for. But, until you are living in that environment, you probably have no idea how difficult it can be. I'm not against Coach either, it just simply comes down to what type of coaching a kid responds best to. Some respond extremely well to Coach, others probably respond far better to a coach that uses different tactics. That's not the fault of either person - it's just not a good fit.

Does everybody love every boss they ever had? Some people perform far better with a boss that says "here's what I expect and I know you can deliver", then leaves you alone until its time to evaluate your performance. Others NEED a boss that provides constant direction and correction.

 

[majorcyfan]

That's crap. Let's pile on to college freshmen for making decisions. Absolute crap.

Every generation says that the previous one is weaker and doesn't have the fortitude that they pretend to have had. This kind of post is just "circle the wagons" garbage.

Why not simply say "It turned out that ISU wasn't for Emiah, and that's fine for both sides" and then move on?

+1,000,000