Emotional meltdown thread

[Halincandenza]

Irrelevant. The media are the biggest overreactors on the planet.

Fans trump media in overreaction. Wrong again.

 

[FinalFourCy]

In the however many seasons that it has been a double round robin, no big 12 champ has ever lost 6 games. Better?

So you’re going with a zero based on 7 years?
Last year, potentially the most relevant, KU won with 5.
I don’t see much to think it’s that big of leap to 6, although everyone would take the field

 

[NoCreativity]

Baylor didnt play out of their mind. They shot 43% (to ISUs 50%) and 35% from 3 (to ISUs 39%). They just beat ISU where ISU is vulnerable, in the paint and on the glass.

Baylor just flat out outworked ISU and pounded them down low, either scoring on putbacks or drawing fouls.

In my opinion, what you saw last night is a little more what ISU really is. I think you just have a team that plays dramatically better than what they are when they play at home against big teams.

The great part about Hilton Magic is that it helps win you lots of home games. The bad part is it might lead some fans to think think that version of the team is the identity of the team when it's really the best case scenario of the team.

There is some truth to what you are saying but this is true for most teams in college basketball. I don't have any data to back this up, but it has to be the hardest sport to win on the road.

 

[randomfan44]

So you’re going with a zero based on 7 years?
Last year, potentially the most relevant, KU won with 5.
I don’t see much to think it’s that big of leap to 6, although everyone would take the field

5 aint 6. That's all I am saying. Not worth arguing; it's just my opinion. I think the winner will have 5 or less losses. More likely 4 than 5.

 

[FinalFourCy]

5 aint 6. That's all I am saying. Not worth arguing; it's just my opinion. I think the winner will have 5 or less losses. More likely 4 than 5.

Of course it’s far more likely to have five or less, that’s 6 choices vs 1.

You KU hayseeds are fun.

 

[randomfan44]

There is some truth to what you are saying but this is true for most teams in college basketball. I don't have any data to back this up, but it has to be the hardest sport to win on the road.

It is definitely the toughest sport to score a road win. Kenpom did a thing a few years back, that based on win% that beating the 75th ranked team on the road is as hard as beating the 16th ranked team at home. Beating #100 on the road as hard as #25 at home.

 

[SpokaneCY]

We always matchup well with Kansas, especially in Hilton and with Azubuke out there is a reason we were favored.

Okie St has the least amount of talent and fan support in the leauge so championship teams win those games.

Baylor lost in front of a capacity crowd of parents and cheerleaders to Stephen F Austin and Texas Southern, so I dont know why expecting this group of players to get out of Wacko with a win was such an afterthought.

You report who Baylor has lost to, who have they beaten and where?

 

[randomfan44]

We always matchup well with Kansas, especially in Hilton and with Azubuke out there is a reason we were favored.

Okie St has the least amount of talent and fan support in the leauge so championship teams win those games.

Baylor lost in front of a capacity crowd of parents and cheerleaders to Stephen F Austin and Texas Southern, so I dont know why expecting this group of players to get out of Wacko with a win was such an afterthought.

Ironic you state this after Okie State swept Kansas last season but cool story.

 

[NoCreativity]

You report who Baylor has lost to, who have they beaten and where?

If you are referring to Arizona yeah that was a solid road win. Arizona is a bubble team though and might need to win the Pac12 tourney to get in.

 

[Cyclonepride]

People need to pump the brakes on this team. There will be a lot of up's/down's this year but this team is a 7 or 8 in the NCAA tourney. We are relying heavily on freshmen and that is going to cause some bumps throughout the season.

Teams that have won championships at ISU have had: upperclassman & toughness

We lack toughness right now and that shows up on the rebounding category.

Well, I think the larger point is that it's WAY too early to tell. Could be a 3, could be a 9. Depends on how we develop, how many breaks we get (or don't) and how other things fall too. Just enjoy it game by game. I'm pretty confident that they will have a successful season, so the question in my mind is how successful.

 

[jcyclonee]

What the heck is going on in here?

 

[NoCreativity]

Ironic you state this after Okie State swept Kansas last season but cool story.

Last year? They won 21 games and went 8-10 last year. Are you really comparing Kansas losing agaisnt a solid team to losing agaisnt the worst team in the conference this year?

I thought you were smarter than that, I was sadly mistaken.

 

[Cat Stevens]

So present a counter argument. We lose Shayok, Talley, and Weiler-Babb for sure. I hope we get Wigginton back, but he tested the NBA last year which showed that he wanted to leave last year. Among the reasons he came back was his inexperience and the fact that he was coming from a losing team. He will have more experience this year, and we are winning more games. Together, that gives me a 60% chance he leaves. As for Horton-Tucker, people are making a lot about his abilities and youth. When the season is over, a lot of people will be talking him up. Even if he wants to come back, I see a lot of people putting dollar signs in his ears. 60% chance he leaves. That's a lot of players to lose.

As for the recruiting class, it is ranked 44th. Texas's recruiting class is in the top 15. Almost all of our hopes in this class are pinned on Marcedus Leech, who was a top-50 player until he sustained a really bad injury. We are obviously hoping he gets back to his pre-injury form. Even if he does, one player (even a top-50 player) can't replace losing 5 players.

But, then, I am a stupid idiot moron, so none of this matters.

You answered your own question

 

[Nelcyn]

Oh well. Good learning opportunity. Many games left to play.

I would like to see Condit with some playing time now that Lard is injured.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Its getting tiresome watching Kansas win it every year while we go our traditional 11-7 because we cant finish games on the road against scrub teams.

k.

Are you from the future? Does everyone have jetpacks where (or WHEN) you're from?

 

[fsanford]

In the however many seasons that it has been a double round robin, no big 12 champ has ever lost 6 games. Better?

a rather small sample size

Maybe we can look at other conferences that play a round robin to see what kind of win percentages have historically occurred. Not sure if there are any left though.

 

[stateofmind]

Well, I think the larger point is that it's WAY too early to tell. Could be a 3, could be a 9. Depends on how we develop, how many breaks we get (or don't) and how other things fall too. Just enjoy it game by game. I'm pretty confident that they will have a successful season, so the question in my mind is how successful.

Predicting our season is like predicting the eye of a Cyclone making landfall. 6 or 7 is the highest probability, but with a little luck and a low pressure system over West Texas to East Kansas, it could hit Ames as a 3. If the high pushes through Kansas as it always seems to, we may be a 10.

 

[NoCreativity]

Are you from the future? Does everyone have jetpacks where (or WHEN) you're from?

So where do you think we'll finish? Like I said before, I 've seen this exact same thing going back to Johnny Orr. Eustachy is the only one to stop the trend for 2 years.

I'll take 30 years of data over thinking we will end up 15-3.

 

[SpokaneCY]

The funny thing is, my finger was just an inch away from purchasing a session ticket for the NCAA's in Des Moines yesterday - that's how excited I was. Now adopting a wait and see position

You should go. I go every chance I can regardless of ISU. Great experience, fun basketball, neat event.

 

[SpokaneCY]

To make matters worse, this might be our year to make a move in the Big12 and NCAAs. We might lose a CRAP LOAD of players next year. Shayok, Talley, and NWB of course, probably Wigginton (he wanted to leave last year) and maybe THT. If we do nothing this year, I don’t see us doing anything for at least 2-3 more years.

Probably won't even have enough players to field a team. No reason to even play THIS season out Nostradamus. Since "we've" given up on basketball, what are stocks going to do Q1 2019?