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I thought we'd already established that Clemmons was Iowa's eighth-best player? Having a guy who averaged nearly 4 apg against top competition, as your third guy off the bench is hardly worth sneezing at. Especially when he also plays very good defense.
Looking at ISU last year, Lucious wasn't all that dissimilar from Clemmons. He averaged about twice as many assists and turnovers while playing nearly twice as many minutes. He shot 37.7% from the field (exact same as Clemmons) and 36.2% from behind the arc (almost exactly the same as Clemmons, who shot 36.6%). They also had nearly identical rebounding numbers (1.9 for KL, 1.6 for Clemmons). He scored more because he jacked up more shots in more minutes, but he really wasn't any more efficient than Clemmons was, and he also didn't play as good of defense as Clemmons. And Lucious was the starting point guard all year for ISU.
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You must not remember what he did to you guys last year. The boy sealed the deal. Here's a pic for ya.
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I don't think Clemmons plays if he's at ISU and I don't see another top 25 team he gets minutes.
I guess Lucious wouldn't play for any top 25 team this year, either. You know, since the difference in his and Clemmons' stat totals are almost ENTIRELY accounted for by having played more minutes last year.
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Lucious was awful the first half of last year, so you might want to clarify if you're comparing him to Bad Korie or Good Korie.
Lucious averaged 10.1 pts per game and 5.6 assists a game. If Clemmons was good enough he would have gotten similar minutes to Lucious but considering he's not, he didn't. There's a reason nobody wanted Clemmons out of high school.
Just because Lucious was the best ISU had, doesn't make him any better.
That logic cuts both ways.
You're comparing a player that averaged 31 minutes/game 8.8 shots/game to a player who averaged 16 minutes/game and shot the ball 3.8 times/game. Cmon man.
I'm comparing two guys who were VERY similar in efficiency, yet one guy started all season as the only option and the other rotated with two other guys and is currently Iowa's 8th-best player.
Iowa had three guys who could effectively run the point. ISU had one. If ISU had other options at the point who were comparable to Marble and Gesell, I'd be willing to bet Lucious wouldn't have seen anywhere near 31 minutes a night.
Also, to your earlier point about there being a reason nobody wanted Clemmons: Nobody wanted Marble or White, either. Almost nobody wanted Hogue or Ejim, yet they've turned out pretty well for ISU. Clemmons was overlooked, but it's not like I'm claiming he's a star like the four guys I just mentioned are, for ******'s sake. He's a valuable role player, and he would be for a lot of teams. To argue that a guy who was just as efficient as your starting point guard a year ago is garbage is just asinine.
White had offers from Northwestern and Temple
Marble had an offer from Providence
Ejim had offers from Providence, Boston College, and Xavier
Hogue had offers from Iowa, Missouri and Texas Tech.
Jok, Meyer, Ingram, Cartwright and Clemmons were the only players Fran has brought in that didn't have a power conference offer outside of Iowa...it shows why too
Wait wait wait... so my post about how I don't understand Iowa's claim to depth is verified in what you are saying here?
Good... then the depth issue is officially dead since if you compare stats the ONLY time an Iowa player leads an ISU player at the same points per game level happens at 8, 9 and 10 and since Iowa's 8, 9, and 10 are getting more minutes per game than ISU's yet ISU's are comparable to those respective Iowa kids.
ISU can go 10 deep as well just as effectively by your logic. The difference between the two teams is ISU has more talent in the top 7 than Iowa does so we DON'T need to go down to 10 every single game.
None of those offers are overwhelmingly impressive, with the best being Xavier and Mizzou. Temple isn't bad.
Texas Tech hasn't had a winning record in conference play since Bob Knight stepped down. They haven't won more than five conference games since 2007-08.
Providence was arguably the worst team in the Big East. BC has had three straight losing seasons and wasn't anything special for several years before that. Northwestern has NEVER made the tournament. And Iowa? Well, you've spent all day making it out like Iowa will offer anybody, since they have so many scholarship guys who wouldn't play anywhere else.
