ESPN-

[cymonw1980]

The 'casual fan' is such an overstated myth. The 'casual fan' happening to find a game does nothing for driving revenue and networks don't even typically look at raw numbers of viewers, it's all about the younger demo and that demo doesn't have cable anymore.

Your missing my point...

Two guys named Chris nailed it on IowaEveryWhere this AM. You should take a listen to the conversation if you are interested in the topic. Streaming is not going anywhere and will be the future. But currently it is not as good as linear options for exposure.

There are ways to improve the quality and make it better. Look at the NCG with multiple camera angles during the game - including an all 22 view of the field, or the fact that you don't need to cut away for another game after, you can show the court before, after the event, do post game player interviews, stream coaches interviews, get expert analysis after the game, etc. right from the same stream for those interested. The point is there are built in advantages that are not fully exploited today and many built in negatives that are not covered up well.

Bottom line, the CURRENT production quality of ESPN+ is not great, definitely JV production quality. It's also more difficult for sports fans (not ISU/tx fans) to happen to find the game and tune in. This matters. You are 100% wrong on your casual fan comment. Casual fans are literally the reason tosu, mich, nd, bama, etc. have such significant media value. The reality is, casual fans tune in to watch brands and to watch top games.

I am not saying that ISU MBB is going to have the appeal of OSU FB. But a top 15 match up is going to bring in casuals. It happens all the time. By having big games (ISU v. Kan, ISU v. Tex) on espn+ it impacts the reach of your conference. It is good for ESPN (they drive interest in ESPN+). It is not great for the B12.

B12 future value is dependent on continuing to build their brand value. Long term, streaming is a key piece of every sports media deal. Short term, you can impact brand value if you do not maintain exposure of you top conference content.

 

[CyBobby]

Get a Roku stick or Roku TV. Download ESPN. You don't have to watch it on your computer. I get a nice big fat clear TV screen with ISU basketball in my living room.

GOD BLESS YOU ISUTex

 

[NickTheGreat]

I am a man, I'm almost 40 now. but I hate streaming. It's not better and not much cheaper.

Even 5 years ago, I could start the game, pause it for 20 minutes and put the kids to bed and resume. And buzz through the commercials.

Streaming has taken that away, and made the interface worse and slower. At least on Roku and Chromecast there is no way to pause and resume live content. Tivo literally had that 20 years ago, maybe 25.

It is nice to be able to see the beginning of the games, but scheduling games for 2.5 hours would have mostly solved that.

It's funny with all the new tech out there that we're losing functionality and usability. Not to mention the lack of cameras and overall production value going down . . .

/rant

 

[cycloneG]

I am a man, I'm almost 40 now. but I hate streaming. It's not better and not much cheaper.

Even 5 years ago, I could start the game, pause it for 20 minutes and put the kids to bed and resume. And buzz through the commercials.

Streaming has taken that away, and made the interface worse and slower. At least on Roku and Chromecast there is no way to pause and resume live content. Tivo literally had that 20 years ago, maybe 25.

It is nice to be able to see the beginning of the games, but scheduling games for 2.5 hours would have mostly solved that.

It's funny with all the new tech out there that we're losing functionality and usability. Not to mention the lack of cameras and overall production value going down . . .

/rant

I've done this when streaming through the Hulu app. I can pause the stream to go do something then come back and continue from where I paused. I can skip through commercials using this method.

 

[2speedy1]

Your missing my point...

Two guys named Chris nailed it on IowaEveryWhere this AM. You should take a listen to the conversation if you are interested in the topic. Streaming is not going anywhere and will be the future. But currently it is not as good as linear options for exposure.

There are ways to improve the quality and make it better. Look at the NCG with multiple camera angles during the game - including an all 22 view of the field, or the fact that you don't need to cut away for another game after, you can show the court before, after the event, do post game player interviews, stream coaches interviews, get expert analysis after the game, etc. right from the same stream for those interested. The point is there are built in advantages that are not fully exploited today and many built in negatives that are not covered up well.

Bottom line, the CURRENT production quality of ESPN+ is not great, definitely JV production quality. It's also more difficult for sports fans (not ISU/tx fans) to happen to find the game and tune in. This matters. You are 100% wrong on your casual fan comment. Casual fans are literally the reason tosu, mich, nd, bama, etc. have such significant media value. The reality is, casual fans tune in to watch brands and to watch top games.

I am not saying that ISU MBB is going to have the appeal of OSU FB. But a top 15 match up is going to bring in casuals. It happens all the time. By having big games (ISU v. Kan, ISU v. Tex) on espn+ it impacts the reach of your conference. It is good for ESPN (they drive interest in ESPN+). It is not great for the B12.

B12 future value is dependent on continuing to build their brand value. Long term, streaming is a key piece of every sports media deal. Short term, you can impact brand value if you do not maintain exposure of you top conference content.

LOL, you want poor production quality....you guys need to watch the wrestling match at Utah valley. LOL, you people have no idea what you are talking about what poor production is, until you actually see something that is really poor. ESPN+ is light years ahead of how bad CyTV production quality was. Sure it might not be as good as the national championship game, but then not much is. No one is putting that much into a normal game anywhere.

Come on people get real. Comparing a Tier 3 game to the NCG. Really?

ESPN+ is approaching the subscription numbers as networks like ESPNU and News etc. But some of you think it would be better off there. You also fail to understand that Conferences like SEC, ACC, and B1G have content on ESPN+ so they all need it and have it to watch, so their casual fans can see it. Not to mention other fans from the other extra content on there across other sports.

And again anyone with Hulu+ will see the games show up in their start page, especially if they are a start page. God knows all of you would also be complaining if this was stuck on a stand alone B12 network. especially one like the Pac12 net that was barely available on any cable, sat or stream, and could not get any games unless you had it. Let alone all the other extra content on ESPN+. Not to mention the fact that there is a decent chance we could be losing money compared to ESPN+ on a B12 network, as in the Pac 12 net or ACC net.

 

[2speedy1]

I think some of you will complain that water is wet.

 

[CyCrazy]

I am a man, I'm almost 40 now. but I hate streaming. It's not better and not much cheaper.

Even 5 years ago, I could start the game, pause it for 20 minutes and put the kids to bed and resume. And buzz through the commercials.

Streaming has taken that away, and made the interface worse and slower. At least on Roku and Chromecast there is no way to pause and resume live content. Tivo literally had that 20 years ago, maybe 25.

It is nice to be able to see the beginning of the games, but scheduling games for 2.5 hours would have mostly solved that.

It's funny with all the new tech out there that we're losing functionality and usability. Not to mention the lack of cameras and overall production value going down . . .

/rant

I was just like you 2 years ago. I didn't like the streaming idea, but when we made the jump to Hulu, I will never go back to cable.

 

[CloneSt8]

Why I like ESPN+. ESPN schedules two hours between games. Okay if women's games as they seem to be under 2 hours unless there is an overtime. But most men's games seem to run 2 hours 15 minutes or so.

So if your team is second on the schedule that day, you miss the first 5 to 10 minutes of the game!

At least on ESPN+ you will see the entire game every time!

 

[NWICY]

It's not like both teams sucked when they decided what games go on the main channels today. ISU coming off a Sweet 16 bid against the defending Champs.

It's either blatant disrespect for our program or a money grab to get more subscribers since they know these are the 2 most passionate fanbases in the conference.

Not so much disrespect but disbelief. There were plenty of posters on here that didn't have high expectations for this team this yr. I had tourney expectations but didn't think our offense would be this improved.

 

[werdnamanhill]

I don't understand what people's issues with the ESPN broadcast are? Announcers are fine, video quality is great. What are you looking for?

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Your missing my point...

Two guys named Chris nailed it on IowaEveryWhere this AM. You should take a listen to the conversation if you are interested in the topic. Streaming is not going anywhere and will be the future. But currently it is not as good as linear options for exposure.

There are ways to improve the quality and make it better. Look at the NCG with multiple camera angles during the game - including an all 22 view of the field, or the fact that you don't need to cut away for another game after, you can show the court before, after the event, do post game player interviews, stream coaches interviews, get expert analysis after the game, etc. right from the same stream for those interested. The point is there are built in advantages that are not fully exploited today and many built in negatives that are not covered up well.

Bottom line, the CURRENT production quality of ESPN+ is not great, definitely JV production quality. It's also more difficult for sports fans (not ISU/tx fans) to happen to find the game and tune in. This matters. You are 100% wrong on your casual fan comment. Casual fans are literally the reason tosu, mich, nd, bama, etc. have such significant media value. The reality is, casual fans tune in to watch brands and to watch top games.

I am not saying that ISU MBB is going to have the appeal of OSU FB. But a top 15 match up is going to bring in casuals. It happens all the time. By having big games (ISU v. Kan, ISU v. Tex) on espn+ it impacts the reach of your conference. It is good for ESPN (they drive interest in ESPN+). It is not great for the B12.

B12 future value is dependent on continuing to build their brand value. Long term, streaming is a key piece of every sports media deal. Short term, you can impact brand value if you do not maintain exposure of you top conference content.

Are those casuals that you want so bad ever going to donate? Are they going to buy tickets? Are they ever going to anything other than watch a game and forget about it an hour later, keeping in mind that they are likely older and not a part of the demo that FOX, ESPN, etc can sell advertising for. ESPN is much better off driving engaged fan bases to drop $10 a month so they can continue to pay the rights fees they do.

Your production comments are so off too but I see that that has been addressed above. There wasn't a single moment where there was a missing camera angle, you had two guys that regularly do games on ESPN linear networks announcing. The production was no different than anything other than ESPNs very top crew and those crews were going to be in Manhattan regardless of what Iowa State and Texas were ranked.

 

[heitclone]

I am a man, I'm almost 40 now. but I hate streaming. It's not better and not much cheaper.

Even 5 years ago, I could start the game, pause it for 20 minutes and put the kids to bed and resume. And buzz through the commercials.

Streaming has taken that away, and made the interface worse and slower. At least on Roku and Chromecast there is no way to pause and resume live content. Tivo literally had that 20 years ago, maybe 25.

It is nice to be able to see the beginning of the games, but scheduling games for 2.5 hours would have mostly solved that.

It's funny with all the new tech out there that we're losing functionality and usability. Not to mention the lack of cameras and overall production value going down . . .

/rant

Idk who you use for tv but we are saving almost $2000 a year using hulu live after switching from dish. Our dish bill was over 200 a month, with a two year contract. We now pay 80 a month and only pay for the 7 months a year we use it. We have 5 chromecast in our home and dont have the interface issues you are talking about. Might be worth checking out some other options.

 

[werdnamanhill]

I am a man, I'm almost 40 now. but I hate streaming. It's not better and not much cheaper.

Even 5 years ago, I could start the game, pause it for 20 minutes and put the kids to bed and resume. And buzz through the commercials.

Streaming has taken that away, and made the interface worse and slower. At least on Roku and Chromecast there is no way to pause and resume live content. Tivo literally had that 20 years ago, maybe 25.

It is nice to be able to see the beginning of the games, but scheduling games for 2.5 hours would have mostly solved that.

It's funny with all the new tech out there that we're losing functionality and usability. Not to mention the lack of cameras and overall production value going down . . .

/rant

You can pause on Roku....I do it all the time.

 

[houjix]

You can pause on Roku....I do it all the time.

You can pause on virtually all of the live stream stuff. I did it all season long on Prime TNF. I've even left the stream, gone to different devices and some give me the option to pick it up live or where I left off. All the griping about streaming feel more like people refusing to take a couple seconds to learn how something works. Skipping commercials is about the only thing that is worse. They know they can force the ads to be un-skippable.

 

[CyCrazy]

I don't understand what people's issues with the ESPN broadcast are? Announcers are fine, video quality is great. What are you looking for?

Ive had no issues.

 

[KnappShack]

I don't understand what people's issues with the ESPN broadcast are? Announcers are fine, video quality is great. What are you looking for?

Channel 5

They're looking for channel 5

 

[flycy]

I am elated that TEXAS is LEAVING and going to the SEC!! NO ONE SCHOOL SHOULD DOMINATE A CONFERENCE LIKE TEXAS DOES THE BIG 12!!
Texas is the reason that aTm and Nebraska left the Big 12 and went elsewhere!

aTm and Nebraska left because they have the same Egos as Texas.

 

[houjix]

Channel 5

They're looking for channel 5

Ah yes. The channel whose station I can literally see out the window at my work and is closest to my house but has the worst broadcast signal of the 4 major networks around here.

 

[NoCreativity]

Channel 5

They're looking for channel 5

I miss those days, Phillips 66 studios.

 

[KnappShack]

I miss those days, Phillips 66 studios.

When did those days end? Early 2000s?

Edit:. I remember an announcer from that era who always said Missourah. I used to hate it then, but now I work it in whenever possible