Evolution of ISU Offense

cyclone1209

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The whole thing. The comments about splitting Hall out and the motioning him in and always running the same play was rich.
Well. Moving Hall from the backfield, then out to the sideline as a WR, and then back in the backfield was pointless to me some because it was motioning people out for the sake of motioning people out. This didn't fool anybody. And yes the play after moving Hall out, and then back in, was generally a run off tackle out of shotgun, which Breece thrived at. But teams started to sense this as the year wore on.

Now, moving the TE like charlie across the formations, or Hutchinson to get a better matchup when the defense is in zone scheme. I'm all for that. Because that's strategic. You could be getting a better matchup out of that.
 

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Again, RPO is not a QB run. RPO is pull and pass or give. Purdy was great at making that read. If you wanted to preserve your QB you run RPO.
I know what an RPO is but that’s not what you said. You said to give deckers more running opportunities.
 

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Well. Moving Hall from the backfield, then out to the sideline as a WR, and then back in the backfield was pointless to me some because it was motioning people out for the sake of motioning people out. This didn't fool anybody. And yes the play after moving Hall out, and then back in, was generally a run off tackle out of shotgun, which Breece thrived at. But teams started to sense this as the year wore on.

Now, moving the TE like charlie across the formations, or Hutchinson to get a better matchup when the defense is in zone scheme. I'm all for that. Because that's strategic. You could be getting a better matchup out of that.

The motion followed by more motion pre-snap stuff essentially just made the offense lose its rhythm even more.
 

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Well. Moving Hall from the backfield, then out to the sideline as a WR, and then back in the backfield was pointless to me some because it was motioning people out for the sake of motioning people out. This didn't fool anybody. And yes the play after moving Hall out, and then back in, was generally a run off tackle out of shotgun, which Breece thrived at. But teams started to sense this as the year wore on.

Now, moving the TE like charlie across the formations, or Hutchinson to get a better matchup when the defense is in zone scheme. I'm all for that. Because that's strategic. You could be getting a better matchup out of that.
It’s pointless to you because you don’t know what the reads are or what they want to see from the box.
 

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Next year we aren't going to see an offense that needs to feed an AA RB to stuff a stat sheet. Dekkers is going to be able to be more effective in the mid range game. That will loosen the box and increase our yards per carry in the run game.
 

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It would be pointless to respond to stuff like this.

But you did and what I mentioned happened often along with really not giving ISU much of an advantage in match ups.

It's not like the opponent didn't have a ton of time to shift to make up for it and often on 3rd/4th and short, after that production, the execution was poor so there was not much difference in that and just getting up and running the play.
 

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I know what an RPO is but that’s not what you said. You said to give deckers more running opportunities.
I thought you meant Brock stayed healthy because ISU didn’t run much RPO.

I think limiting designed runs or read option with Purdy was a good idea. His durability was incredible given his style of play.

Using RPO too sparingly was the only thing I didn’t really like. Not only was Purdy good at it, it takes a lot of pressure off the OL.

It will be interesting to see how much the offensive approach changes with Dekkers. I think he will be very good, but it’s going to take some time. Though it sure seems like the staff did a good job helping Brock succeed out of the gates.
 

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It all starts with the OL. Period. If the OL can open holes, we have the backs to combine for more yards than Breece did last year. If they can protect, then that opens up the deep passing game. If they can't do either of those, the offense is going to take a big step back from the past few years, because they don't have the automatic player at TE and they don't have Purdy's accuracy or scrambling ability. Very little of that is Manning's fault other than recruitment of OLs.

I think that next year, we'll see more of a traditional offense. Hutchinson coming back is huge. We have an all Big 12 player on the outside. Noel has proven he can be a playmaker at M and will only improve. I for one have never been sold on Shaw, but at the very least he can be a solid blocker on the outside and catch jump balls. I think that Gaines plays right away and possibly is starting by midseason. But more likely he is the backup at X and the heir apparent there. At TE, Dean will do just fine, but he's more Chase Allen and less Charlie Kolar. That probably means less 3 TE sets and more 3 WR sets. RB Brock will start the season, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Silas start taking some of his snaps.
 
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But you did and what I mentioned happened often along with really not giving ISU much of an advantage in match ups.

It's not like the opponent didn't have a ton of time to shift to make up for it and often on 3rd/4th and short, after that production, the execution was poor so there was not much difference in that and just getting up and running the play.
The defensive shift is the whole point. How the defense reacts to motion tells the offense a lot about what the defense is in and how they are playing. There is a reason you see so much motion out of NFL teams.
 
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I noticed the offense huddling for the first time in years during the bowl game. I wonder if that was because defenses had figured out our signals?

Clemson defense is notorious for stealing signals. I believe we also saw a few plays with quicker tempo, one word calls that had less signals to them.
 
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You’re doing it wrong. You cant give Tom Manning any breaks or credit. Even though we’ve had a top 2-3 offense in the big 12 each of the past 3 years. You know, he gotta get fired.
Point of fact, here’s how our total offense stacks up in round robin play against the tough defenses of the Big XII (aside our own, of course):


…or, if you prefer the “Scoring Offense” measuring stick: