This is about as stupid as it gets. Not the post but the whole thing. So let's say the big 12 does this..how would u like to be Baylor and tell them hey guess what in order to even have a shot at the playoffs u have to beat TCU again! And if u do there is still no guarantee. Stupid.
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This is about as stupid as it gets. Not the post but the whole thing. So let's say the big 12 does this..how would u like to be Baylor and tell them hey guess what in order to even have a shot at the playoffs u have to beat TCU again! And if u do there is still no guarantee. Stupid.
Going back to the BCS ranking (not 2 team playoff, but the ranking to pick the 2 teams) is a way better solution, but for some reason that's not on the table.
I remember during and after the last round of realignment, Rhoads said he was in favor of a 10 team league with a round robin schedule because he could guarantee the Texas recruits that they would play at least two games in Texas every single year. You might not care what Rhoads thinks in regard to recruiting, or football in general, but I don't think there would be many coaches that would disagree.
If the Big 12 expands, watch for the old Big 12 North schools to be pushing hard for a guarantee of two games in Texas every year when divisions are debated.
Adding Tulane or Memphis may alleviate the dependance on Texas recruits a bit, but Cincy and BYU would not help on the recruiting front at all.
If the Big 12 expands, watch for the old Big 12 North schools to be pushing hard for a guarantee of two games in Texas every year when divisions are debated.
Adding Tulane or Memphis may alleviate the dependance on Texas recruits a bit, but Cincy and BYU would not help on the recruiting front at all.
It is kind of dumb because it defeats the purpose of a round robin, but think of it the other way. TCU lost @ Baylor and everybody is claiming that that game should be the determining factor. Shouldn't they get a shot on a neutral field? And even if the road team won the first matchup, rematches are not uncommon in conference championship games, or championship games in general across all sports. If the Super Bowl loser beat the winner in Week 13, it doesn't make the result any less "real."
Thank you. Adding a champ game with 10 teams only decreases the chances of getting a team in. What if first place was 9-0 and 2nd place was 7-2? What does that accomplish except add a bunch of risk to the 9-0 team? The only thing it would have accomplished this year was to make the regular season matchup between Baylor and TCU irrelevant. OSU was getting in regardless.
Let's not over-react on this (although that is today's society). Had Ohio State won 35-21 or something against Wisconsin, we would have gotten a team in. Had Baylor played anyone with a pulse, they would have gotten in. If our best teams were Oklahoma or Texas, one of them would have gotten in.
I mean, who wins their conference championship game 59-0? Pretty hard to keep Ohio State out after that.
I mean, who wins their conference championship game 59-0? Pretty hard to keep Ohio State out after that.
Respectfully disagree. Ohio St was getting in no matter what. NCAA protects their big BRANDS, and OSU is a big one. It's easy from the committee to find any rationale and say that's what you weighted heaviest. The only thing separating this from the WWE is that no one hit Art Briles with a folding chair.
They were going to have a controversy no matter who they took - OSU, TCU, Baylor. So why not take the big name and the bigger $$$? It's not like ESPN is going to hold you accountable for a BS decision, hell they are your accomplice.
Sorry for the bump.
Has anyone heard any update on the CCG waiver? Couldn't seem to find any relevant news on the Google machine.
I would still like to see JP and the AD's from KState and the a lesser extent TCU and Baylor pushing for expansion. Much rather prefer protecting our long term longevity and safety than the short term extra money.
Has anyone heard any update on the CCG waiver? Couldn't seem to find any relevant news on the Google machine.
I would still like to see JP and the AD's from KState and the a lesser extent TCU and Baylor pushing for expansion. Much rather prefer protecting our long term longevity and safety than the short term extra money.
Nope. But here's another worthless scenario:
If we decide to expand (which for now we shouldn't), we should go big and go straight to 14. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Big 12 already secured the rights to the name "Big 14" just in case years ago, right? Here's who you take amongst best available:
BYU (football only): No need to worry about scheduling on Sundays that way.
Colorado State: Would jump at the chance and are building a new football stadium. Can play games in Mile High if necessary. Get to face off against the fighting Eustachys.
Memphis: Excellent facilities between the Liberty Bowl & FedEx Forum. Strong basketball tradition & just capped off a 10 win season in football.
Cincinnati: Strong basketball & football traditions; currently expanding Nippert Stadium with an impressive suite, press, & club section. Can play games in Paul Brown Stadium when necessary.
East Division
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis
Iowa State
Kansas State
KU
Oklahoma State (guaranteed cross-rivalry with OU)
West
BYU
Colorado State
Texas Tech
Texas
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma
Yuck, right? If you don't like those options, you wait until schools from the other power 5 want out of their respective conferences.
If we decide to expand (which for now we shouldn't), we should go big and go straight to 14. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Big 12 already secured the rights to the name "Big 14" just in case years ago, right? Here's who you take amongst best available:
BYU (football only): No need to worry about scheduling on Sundays that way.
Colorado State: Would jump at the chance and are building a new football stadium. Can play games in Mile High if necessary. Get to face off against the fighting Eustachys.
Memphis: Excellent facilities between the Liberty Bowl & FedEx Forum. Strong basketball tradition & just capped off a 10 win season in football.
Cincinnati: Strong basketball & football traditions; currently expanding Nippert Stadium with an impressive suite, press, & club section. Can play games in Paul Brown Stadium when necessary.
East Division
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis
Iowa State
Kansas State
KU
Oklahoma State (guaranteed cross-rivalry with OU)
West
BYU
Colorado State
Texas Tech
Texas
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma
Yuck, right? If you don't like those options, you wait until schools from the other power 5 want out of their respective conferences.
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Um, our tax dollars pay the full cost of attendance for the service academies. :err:
Um, what? Here I thought ISU and KU were founding members of the Big 12. I guess I was wrong. :spinny:
Great for us, but I don't think the Texas and Oklahoma schools would be too crazy about it.
If it made sense as far as $$$ goes, it would be awesome to go to 14. Go East/West, back to North/South or even do like the ACC does with the Atlantic/Coastal divisions where geography isn't totally the deciding factor.
Divisions
I'm not a big fan of divisions. Even in a 14 team conference have a 10 game conference schedule and the top 2 teams face off. Wouldn't Ohio State vs. Mich State been a better championship game? FSU vs. Clemson or Baylor vs. TCU? Why let divisions get in the way of the best Championship game.
I'm not a big fan of divisions. Even in a 14 team conference have a 10 game conference schedule and the top 2 teams face off. Wouldn't Ohio State vs. Mich State been a better championship game? FSU vs. Clemson or Baylor vs. TCU? Why let divisions get in the way of the best Championship game.
