Expansion

[Havs]

How about Vanderbilt?

I could actually see Vanderbilt in the Big Ten. Geographically, they really aren't that far from Columbus, Bloomington or West Lafayette, and are centrally located compared to the rest.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

There was one conference in position to have two teams in the playoff going into the last week of the season. That was the Big XII. The chips fell poorly for Baylor & TCU but if any of Oregon, Ohio State, Alabama, or Florida State had stumbled one of them would have been in. And if two of those teams had stumbled both of them would have been in. The chance of both of them getting in was about the same as the chance of neither of them.

So your statement is based upon the "what if" game? If teams had stumbled?

All 5 conferences almost got two teams in, "what if".

The chance of them both getting in wasn't "about the same" as the chance of neither getting in. That's saying that it was a coin flip if any of the 4 teams that made the BCS playoff stumbled. They clearly were 4 of the best teams in the nation, so it wouldn't have been a 50% chance that they stumble.

I understand you're just talking up your conference, it's reasonable.

 

[HoopsTournament]

The Big 12 is the conference least likely to have its two best teams playing on the final Saturday. That is actually an advantage for the Big 12. A sample size of one is anecdotal. It does not help define a probability.

 

[CarrollCyclone]

A fun little read on what the conference landscape might look like had Texas moved through with its plan to create the Pac-16

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/6/17/8767533/conference-realignment-texas-pac-12

At the end of the article, the resulting power conferences are:

ACC (14 + Notre Dame)
Boston College, Cincinnati, Clemson, Connecticut, Duke, Florida State, Kansas, Louisville, Miami (FL), Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest (Notre Dame partial member like they are today)

Big 12 (12 teams....maybe or maybe not a power league)
Air Force, Baylor, Boise State, Brigham Young, Central Florida, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, South Florida, Southern Methodist, Texas Christian

Big Ten (16)
Georgia Tech, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Wisconsin

Pac-16 (16)
Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon, Oregon State, Texas, Texas Tech, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Utah, Washington, Washington State

SEC (16)
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Maryland, Mississippi, Mississippi State, North Carolina State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, West Virginia

 

[KnappShack]

A fun little read on what the conference landscape might look like had Texas moved through with its plan to create the Pac-16

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/6/17/8767533/conference-realignment-texas-pac-12

At the end of the article, the resulting power conferences are:

ACC (14 + Notre Dame)
Boston College, Cincinnati, Clemson, Connecticut, Duke, Florida State, Kansas, Louisville, Miami (FL), Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest (Notre Dame partial member like they are today)

Big 12 (12 teams....maybe or maybe not a power league)
Air Force, Baylor, Boise State, Brigham Young, Central Florida, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, South Florida, Southern Methodist, Texas Christian

Big Ten (16)
Georgia Tech, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Wisconsin

Pac-16 (16)
Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon, Oregon State, Texas, Texas Tech, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Utah, Washington, Washington State

SEC (16)
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Maryland, Mississippi, Mississippi State, North Carolina State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, West Virginia

That is one ********* Big 12. Nothing fun about that

 

[weR138]

A fun little read on what the conference landscape might look like had Texas moved through with its plan to create the Pac-16

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/6/17/8767533/conference-realignment-texas-pac-12

So Texas saved Iowa State's Athletic Dept. Don't tell Tornadoman.

 

[isucy86]

Big 10 TV Contract

The Big 10 TV Network's financial model is currently based on geographic reach. Getting the Big 10 network in the base package on as many cable/dish households as possible. However the landscape for TV is gradually changing with streaming and the possibility of ala carte selection by customers. It would be one thing if the Big 10 Network carried the conferences best games, but it doesn't. It carries the worst games, what I would consider 3rd Tier games.

I will be curious how the upcoming Big 10 TV contract negotiations plays out. Another interesting change since the Big 10 Network was founded is the emergence of CBS, NBC and FOX Sports Networks.

 

[Gonzo]

Re: Big 10 TV Contract

The Big 10 TV Network's financial model is currently based on geographic reach. Getting the Big 10 network in the base package on as many cable/dish households as possible. However the landscape for TV is gradually changing with streaming and the possibility of ala carte selection by customers. It would be one thing if the Big 10 Network carried the conferences best games, but it doesn't. It carries the worst games, what I would consider 3rd Tier games.

I will be curious how the upcoming Big 10 TV contract negotiations plays out. Another interesting change since the Big 10 Network was founded is the emergence of CBS, NBC and FOX Sports Networks.

Delaney is the best commissioner in college athletics. I'm sure he'll be on top of all the emerging realities in today's media when they negotiate the next B1G deal.

 

[SyracuseCyclone]

THe conference doesn't "need" to expand remember that if there is 12 teams everyone no longer plays everyone else automatically. This means any team who ducks the top 1-2 teams in the league due to favorable scheduling will get slaughtered by the polls for not playing whomever if they are unbeaten.

 

[Wesley]

Re: Big 10 TV Contract

The Big 10 TV Network's financial model is currently based on geographic reach. Getting the Big 10 network in the base package on as many cable/dish households as possible. However the landscape for TV is gradually changing with streaming and the possibility of ala carte selection by customers. It would be one thing if the Big 10 Network carried the conferences best games, but it doesn't. It carries the worst games, what I would consider 3rd Tier games.

I will be curious how the upcoming Big 10 TV contract negotiations plays out. Another interesting change since the Big 10 Network was founded is the emergence of CBS, NBC and FOX Sports Networks.

BTN was available even in Palo Alto. It is everywhere.

 

[Cycsk]

Here's a fun little hypothetical on the next big realignment move.

Six leagues each with 11 teams playing round-robin plus one additional game. Interesting. Eight leagues of 10 teams makes more sense because of the playoff, plus you get more non-conference games. However, each time I see a scenario for smaller leagues, it has us in a split Big 10 league. Not sure I like that.

 

[klamath632]

THe conference doesn't "need" to expand remember that if there is 12 teams everyone no longer plays everyone else automatically. This means any team who ducks the top 1-2 teams in the league due to favorable scheduling will get slaughtered by the polls for not playing whomever if they are unbeaten.

What an ignorant thing to post. Reality couldn't be further from what you wrote.

 

[jdoggivjc]

What an ignorant thing to post. Reality couldn't be further from what you wrote.

I really don't get the die hard love about the round robin schedule - I'm rather meh about it. I swear, if the networks ripped up our TV contract tomorrow and told us that adding 2 or more schools would guarantee each school at minimum an extra $10 million annually on top of what was earned from the current contract, people around here would turn it down in favor of keeping the round robin schedule.

 

[RustShack]

No one would turn that down.

 

[Rogue52]

It's been awhile since there was anything "unofficial" about our AD's stance on expansion, but it's well documented we were on the opposed side after the GoR brought stability. Strong support for two games in state of Texas via round robin.

 

[RustShack]

Oklahoma is the minority in wanting expansion

 

[RustShack]

I think most schools would want to expand if there were two teams worthy, but there aren't.

 

[cyclones500]

I really don't get the die hard love about the round robin schedule - I'm rather meh about it. I swear, if the networks ripped up our TV contract tomorrow and told us that adding 2 or more schools would guarantee each school at minimum an extra $10 million annually on top of what was earned from the current contract, people around here would turn it down in favor of keeping the round robin schedule.

$ trumps all at this stage, yes. Round-robin is a competitive ideal. The former is reality; the latter "feels more like a conference" during the mega-expansion phase.

Of course, (B) may be just idyllically temporary, because of circumstance, and prone to instability because of (A).

 

[00clone]

Oklahoma is the minority in wanting expansion

I think most schools would want to expand if there were two teams worthy, but there aren't.

Except, with Boren's comments, you're contradicting yourself, since your second post is pretty much his position. We need to expand, but we need to be selective about it.

 

[Havs]

Re: Big 10 TV Contract

Delaney is the best commissioner in college athletics. I'm sure he'll be on top of all the emerging realities in today's media when they negotiate the next B1G deal.

With Mike Slive now retired, I'd agree.