Expansion

erikbj

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Who cares who they add, the worse the program the better. Two years ago the goal was to add FSU and Clemson, wow that would have made football easier for ISU. At this point, just find to crap programs to get the conference to 12 and have a champ game. Tell these lesser schools, you will get less money and like it - its better to be part of our conference, make less than be in the CUSA or some other non P5 conference.
 

ThatllDoCy

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The problem with adding mid majors is that the current system of determining a playoff birth is designed to keep those programs out. Look at what happened to TCU and Baylor. They will never let a Boise State or smaller school, unless Notre Dame, into their party. So you have to take from Power 5 conferences to make any difference.
 

ISU42

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If Wisconsin or Missouri or even Georgia Tech wins we're praising the 10 team arrangement. Let's give it another year before we make any rash decisions.

I think there are probably other scenarios that leave the Big 12 out without a 13th game. I would try to get an exemption to get a championship game with 10 teams first before adding more teams.
 

Cybyassociation

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I was talking with my brother about this last night. The Big XII needs to go after either some power conference bottom feeders or some mid level teams that are decent. IMO, the B1G did it right, they went after two teams that were likely not going to shake things up too bad on the football side of things but could fit in with all other sports. The Big XII needs teams that can compete, but not contend. This should effectively raise the floor and make the conference look better overall...Just my opinion. Here are my picks for who I would like to see in the Big XII:

Kentucky
Cincinnati
Louisville
BYU
Memphis
UCF
Houston
 

Buster28

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The Big 12 dropped the ball when Louisville said "yes" without ever even being asked. Their football program has been to 13 bowl games since 1998, including appearances in the Gator, Orange, and Sugar Bowls since 2006. Both basketball programs are exceptional. But they're stuck in the ACC now, so there's little chance of us paying an exit fee to get them to jump ship.

I could get over the idea of having to adjust scheduling for BYU (no Sunday games), because I think they could potentially bring a lot to the league. Their sports draw exceptionally well, even after moving to the WCC (which surprised me) in everything but football. My main concern is that they would spread the league out SO much east-to-west that it starts to be even more of a strain for olympic-type sports to travel. If WVU was not in the Big 12, I think it would be much less of an issue. However, that's just not the case.

I've also never had a serious problem with taking on a "project" institution like Colorado State. They are primed to succeed on a larger stage if given a chance - large university, athletics programs with some successes here and there (football 10-2 this year), near a large population center (Denver) in a rapidly growing state, a desire to upgrade facilities, more geographically situated near other northern Big 12 schools. If a lower-tiered university was brought in with the understanding that full $ compensation would not be established until a certain amount of time has passed, say 5 years with increasing amounts paid each year, for argument's sake, a move like that could end up producing a very good fit for the league.

Sometimes, we have to look far down the road to see what can potentially be of the greatest benefit to the league, and not simply look at how things seem today.
 
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mj4cy

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I'm all for expansion, but will be sad to see the double round robbin go in hoops.
 

CyCy

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I can see it already. The first year that the B12 has a conference championship playoff game, it will have an undefeated team lose in the championship game (to some 9-3 team) and get knocked out of the playoffs.
 

Jer

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The thing to remember with expanding to Florida and California right off the bat is that the travel costs would bury some of the non-revenue programs. If you add UCF, Boise, Cal, etc then you should be expecting a couple programs to shut down.

There are several key expansion targets that make much more sense when you look at the larger picture. Sure, Florida and California are great for recruiting, but overall that isn't the sole factor to consider.
 

berther48

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Will the Big 12 sit back with 10 teams after getting screwed in the CFP? Who are the reasonable candidates to get back to 12 teams?

Well we could invite University Louisville and University of Pittsburgh both from the ACC to join that would make them a 12 team and us a 12 team conference, and it would give us a Northern league, with West Virginia,Iowa State, Kansas, and K-State. A market in the 3 state area of Pennsylvania, Kentucky, West Virginia. Or... take Northern Illinois from the MAC conference reduce them to 12 and take Cincinnati from the AAC conference leaving them with 10 teams. NIU would bring in the Chicago area, Cincinnati the state of Ohio. Again creating a good Northern League for the BIG 12.

GO CYCLONES
 

HFCS

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The Big 12 dropped the ball when Louisville said "yes" without ever even being asked. Their football program has been to 13 bowl games since 1998, including appearances in the Gator, Orange, and Sugar Bowls since 2006. Both basketball programs are exceptional. But they're stuck in the ACC now, so there's little chance of us paying an exit fee to get them to jump ship.

I could get over the idea of having to adjust scheduling for BYU (no Sunday games), because I think they could potentially bring a lot to the league. Their sports draw exceptionally well, even after moving to the WCC (which surprised me) in everything but football. My main concern is that they would spread the league out SO much east-to-west that it starts to be even more of a strain for olympic-type sports to travel. If WVU was not in the Big 12, I think it would be much less of an issue. However, that's just not the case.

I've also never had a serious problem with taking on a "project" institution like Colorado State. They are primed to succeed on a larger stage if given a chance - large university, athletics programs with some successes here and there (football 10-2 this year), near a large population center (Denver) in a rapidly growing state, a desire to upgrade facilities, more geographically situated near other northern Big 12 schools. If a lower-tiered university was brought in with the understanding that full $ compensation would not be established until a certain amount of time has passed, say 5 years with increasing amounts paid each year, for argument's sake, a move like that could end up producing a very good fit for the league.

Sometimes, we have to look far down the road to see what can potentially be of the greatest benefit to the league, and not simply look at how things seem today.

Adding Louisville when we were at 10 already for 11 and then BYU for football only was easily the best and most realistic solution.

Conference was stubborn and short sited on Louisville.

Tulane to me is the best "project" adjacent to but adding to our footprint. San Diego State, UCF, and USF are the best projects not adjacent to our footprint. SDSU/BYU FB, SDSU/CSU, SDSU/NM, UCF/Tulane, USF/Tulane are possible parings that build a geographic bridge a bit. Of course Memphis/Cincy has already been mentioned as WVU's idea of a bridge.
 

Jer

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Personally, I'd either go East with Memphis and Cincy OR West with CSU and BYU OR add from within the footprint with Houston and somebody else.

We need teams we can beat in football and that won't hurt our overall SOS in basketball. Also, it's highly unlikely that ND joins a conference in the next 3-4 years, they just couldn't handle being second fiddle to Texas in the Big 12.
 

HFCS

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doesn't have to, just start conference play in December. Just adding 4 more games (2 weeks).

Media and committee are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too dumb to realize how much better our schedule would be than everyone else. The people who rig the system don't even bring up that we play 9 conference football games to the Big Ten's 8 as it is. Ohio State's "13th game" wasn't the championship game, that brought them even with the Big 12, it was Kent State.