Farm Accounting Question

Bobber

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My cousin called me and he's got an interesting problem. He always does some year end tax planning. He works, but also farms a small farm. His tax advisor told him to sell some grain before year end. It ends up the accountant didn't account for an additional $50,000 worth of grain income from the previous year that occurred in 2013. So he's got $50,000 of unexpected income that he's going to pay taxes on. It's going to be a big tax bill and he doesn't have much extra cash because of his fairly large family and it's a one income household.

He's very upset about this and isn't sure what to do. He's going to meet with the Tax Planner later in the week and see what they have to say. I told him he might get the tax preparation fee waived, but was uncertain if he could get much more than that. I also pointed out while the tax bill is unexpected, it should help his tax bill in 2014, but that seemed to fall on deaf ears.

I suppose you could hire a lawyer and go after them for negligence, but am unsure how far he'd get? Seems to me has some responsibility to review and verify things as well even if your hiring someone to help?

Anybody been in a similar situation? Any ideas?
 

isufbcurt

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So your cousin sold $50,000 worth of grain in 2013 and the accountant didn't factor that into his 2013 year end tax planning/estimates?

Before I can answer anything I need to make sure I am understanding the situation correctly.
 
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Bobber

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So your cousin sold $50,000 worth of grain in 2013 and the accountant didn't factor that into his 32013 year end tax planning/estimates?

Before I can answer anything I need to make sure I am understanding the situation correctly.

Yes, that's my understanding. He "missed" it.....
 

isufbcurt

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Yes, that's my understanding. He "missed" it.....

Ok that makes sense.

Next I would need to know how your cousin keeps track of his records (does he use QB, Excel, a bunch of receipts). The reason I ask this is because I have a Plumber client that keeps his own QBs and brings me his statements quarterly to do his estimates. It wasn't until I was doing his 1099's last week and found out he had been incorrectly recording his loan payments to an expense account so needless to say his estimates are going to be a little short. The nice thing is he understood it was his fault because 1) he does his own bookkeeping and 2) he wasn't giving me detail each quarter just summary information.
 

norcalcy

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the way the markets are going, he may still come out ahead selling last year versus this year... even after he pays the taxes.
 

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This is a tough situation. I'd probably go somewhere else to get my taxes done but I'm not sure how successful a lawsuit would be. The accountant screwed up by having his facts wrong and giving bad advice because of it but it's ultimately the taxpayers responsibility to double check.
 

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Wait, if he is going to have to pay a bunch of tax on that, it means that he didn't need to sell to make things work. Why is an accountant then telling him how to market grain? Did he miss a bunch of stuff earlier? I guess I don't want my accountant telling me how to operate unless it's essential to remaining in business which doesn't look to be the case.
 

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Seems strange a tax guy would tell somebody to sell current year grain not looking at grain already sold. Not only that common sense would tell me to question the tax adviser on that. Don't know the whole story obviously unless the guy was expecting some additional income in 2014 that normally wouldn't be coming in. Too late now.
 

isufbcurt

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Wait, if he is going to have to pay a bunch of tax on that, it means that he didn't need to sell to make things work. Why is an accountant then telling him how to market grain? Did he miss a bunch of stuff earlier? I guess I don't want my accountant telling me how to operate unless it's essential to remaining in business which doesn't look to be the case.

That was my next question, why is his accountant telling him to sell grain?
 

azepp

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That was my next question, why is his accountant telling him to sell grain?
I got the impression that he was selling to get to a breakeven position but the accountant had overlooked an earlier $50k sale so he ended up with a tax liability.
 

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That was my next question, why is his accountant telling him to sell grain?

I have clients come in for pretax meetings before the end of the year and we discuss either prepaying some expenses or if/when they should sell grain before the end of the year.

Generally it's just a rough estimate that the client brings in so unless we do bookkeeping work for them, I can't think of a situation where I would even know what my clients sold unless it was on the paper that we were looking at during our meeting.
 

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I got the impression that he was selling to get to a breakeven position but the accountant had overlooked an earlier $50k sale so he ended up with a tax liability.

agreed. My question is, why is the accountant responsible for remembering an earlier sale? Is he doing regular book work for him?

What information is this accountant basing his opinion off of?
 

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If you cousin does tax planning every year then he probably plans for a breakeven or small profit so perhaps income averaging would work for him over the past 3 years. Based on my fall tax appointment if i was in this situation it would be because i forgot to tell my accountant about the 2012 deferred income into 2013. But if the accountant is doing monthly or quarterly(highly unlikely for a small sized farmer) work for your cousin and reviewing the bank statements then i would say its on the accountant.
 

azepp

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agreed. My question is, why is the accountant responsible for remembering an earlier sale? Is he doing regular book work for him?

What information is this accountant basing his opinion off of?
My best guess: The guy sent him this 2013 financials and based on that info the accountant told him he could sell X amount of grain and have no tax liability. Apparently, there was a prior year book/tax difference that resulted in higher taxable income than anticipated based on the 2013 books alone. The accountant overlooked the prior period book/tax difference.

I'm not a tax expert so I don't know why you'd have a prior year sale contributing to 2013 taxable income, but that's my take.

I would assume that the guy feels like his tax accountant should be there to reconcile any book/tax differences.
 

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