First crack in Ku's armor ...

[Ozclone]

So basically we have created a world where if a player goes from an Adidas AAU program to an Adidas school, it is because Adidas steered them to do it and if they go from a Nike AAU program to an Adidas school it is because Adidas outbid Nike for their services. It's called created alternative facts to fit your argument for a scenario you hope exists.

Should I publish a story about how I have two "unnamed sources" who state that a big bag of cash was the reason Lindell Wiggington went from 100% Oregon in his Crystal Ball prediction the day before his commitment to an Iowa State commit? See how easy this is?

Let's see, the KU athletics department proved that they have no regards for rules during the ticket scandal a few years back and the basketball program is willing to openly push the limits of the rules with the ridiculous basketball "dorm" and hiring of player's parents, but you seem to think that they aren't crossing the lines behind the scenes? OK

Adidas has been paying top players to go to Adidas schools but you seem to think that they aren't doing it for KU which is their flagship college program (based on the recent shoe contract)? OK

KU signs a deal with Adidas starting in 2013 and proceeds to have a top 5 recruit in each of the next four classes after only having one in the previous 5+ classes, but those are apparently the only top recruits that Adidas didn't steer to their colleges? OK

Look, you might want to slow down on your holier than thou attitude until some more details come out, because it isn't a reach to think that KU has a shot to be caught up in this.

 

[jsb]

No, just pointing out it is silly to start speculating about what the punishment for Kansas should be when there is zero evidence that anything written in that silly article is even remotely true. I have zero interest in changing anyone's mind here; I am not foolish enough to believe that this is an option.

Just pumping the brakes on the lynch mob. Kansas Athletics Department has made numerous statements that they have had zero contact from the federal government. If they are lying then making that statement accomplishes nothing but plant a grenade between their own legs and pulling the pin. I doubt some Duke fan in North Carolina knows more about the case than the actual people doing the investigating.

It seems pretty obvious that Addias was cheating and paying players, so it seems stupid to think they wouldn't do that with their premier school.

 

[Yellow Snow]

It seems pretty obvious that Addias was cheating and paying players, so it seems stupid to think they wouldn't do that with their premier school.

I agree. The thing that most don't seem to grasp is the fact that it is a recruiting violation to even offer money or arrange it, or even imply there will be future money. Whether the recruit takes it or KU gets out bid is pretty irrelevant.

 

[randomfan44]

Let's see, the KU athletics department proved that they have no regards for rules during the ticket scandal a few years back and the basketball program is willing to openly push the limits of the rules with the ridiculous basketball "dorm" and hiring of player's parents, but you seem to think that they aren't crossing the lines behind the scenes? OK

Adidas has been paying top players to go to Adidas schools but you seem to think that they aren't doing it for KU which is their flagship college program (based on the recent shoe contract)? OK

KU signs a deal with Adidas starting in 2013 and proceeds to have a top 5 recruit in each of the next four classes after only having one in the previous 5+ classes, but those are apparently the only top recruits that Adidas didn't steer to their colleges? OK

Look, you might want to slow down on your holier than thou attitude until some more details come out, because it isn't a reach to think that KU has a shot to be caught up in this.

Eh, wut? The KU athletic department was defrauded of millions of dollars by employees within the ticking department. That you think that KU BENEFITTED from this shows you have clue what you're talking about on that topic.

The players dorm is a project that any other program is more than welcome to do as it falls well within all NCAA rules. The rules are clear on what can be provided and how and KU is well within those rules. I don't see anything controversial about the dorms at all, nor would any ISU fan if ISU was able to raise $17 million to build one.

The hiring of players parents to the positions they were hired into was also well within the rules in place at the time and certainly didn't "push the rules" of anything.

So to sum up, the actions you used as examples only show KU skirting the rules because you appear not to have a clear understanding of what the rules were/are. No biggie. A little research can help out.

 

[randomfan44]

I agree. The thing that most don't seem to grasp is the fact that it is a recruiting violation to even offer money or arrange it, or even imply there will be future money. Whether the recruit takes it or KU gets out bid is pretty irrelevant.

Sort of. It is a recruiting violation for the school to offer or arrange it. It is not a recruiting violation for Adidas to offer it with the school having no part in said offer. It is a violation (playing an ineligible player) if the player ACCEPTS the offer prior to playing for the school. And it's certainly not a recruiting violation by Kansas if Adidas offers a kid money (with no involvement by KU in that offer) to go to school at Kansas but is outbid by Nike and the player chooses to go play somewhere else.

 

[randomfan44]

Right after that investigation into the drugging and rape of the underage girl in their dorm is complete.

The investigation is complete. Last I heard, the prosecutors are now waiting for the victim in the case to inform them what she wants to do.

 

[Spam]

The investigation is complete. Last I heard, the prosecutors are now waiting for the victim in the case to inform them what she wants to do.

Investigation is complete ... and then those caught spill the beans.

 

[Clonehomer]

The investigation is complete. Last I heard, the prosecutors are now waiting for the victim in the case to inform them what she wants to do.

Translation: She's waiting to see what Adidas is going to pay her to make this go away. Gonna be tough cause according to reports, Self doesn't swing the big **** like Pitino.

 

[TykeClone]

Regardless, though , if Martin was dirty at K State, K State should get punished right? This is definitely too big to let the AD handle in house by firing Martin.

Especially if the Ad didn't repor t his violations to the ncaa and take their punishment

 

[Pat]

Eh, wut? The KU athletic department was defrauded of millions of dollars by employees within the ticking department. That you think that KU BENEFITTED from this shows you have clue what you're talking about on that topic.

The players dorm is a project that any other program is more than welcome to do as it falls well within all NCAA rules. The rules are clear on what can be provided and how and KU is well within those rules. I don't see anything controversial about the dorms at all, nor would any ISU fan if ISU was able to raise $17 million to build one.

The hiring of players parents to the positions they were hired into was also well within the rules in place at the time and certainly didn't "push the rules" of anything.

So to sum up, the actions you used as examples only show KU skirting the rules because you appear not to have a clear understanding of what the rules were/are. No biggie. A little research can help out.

You are 100% right that there has been nothing but wishful thinking and dubiously sourced articles that link KU to this mess. But can you honestly say you aren't sweating it just a bit? At this point I would be far more surprised if KU, UK, UNC, Duke, etc. are NOT involved in this in some way.

 

[FinalFourCy]

KU is as dirty as Pitino.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

You are 100% right that there has been nothing but wishful thinking and dubiously sourced articles that link KU to this mess. But can you honestly say you aren't sweating it just a bit? At this point I would be far more surprised if KU, UK, UNC, Duke, etc. are NOT involved in this in some way.

Probably been talked about in this thread already (not going to read through all of it right now), but this investigation is far from over. The guys who have been arrested are going to sing like canaries when they see what kind of jail time they're looking at. The feds will offer them deals to talk and implicate other "big fish." Louisville is big only because of the Pitino name, but the feds have their eyes on the really BIG names, which includes KU.

This is simply just the beginning. Honestly, all fans should be at least a little bit worried, but some more than others.

 

[Ozclone]

Eh, wut? The KU athletic department was defrauded of millions of dollars by employees within the ticking department. That you think that KU BENEFITTED from this shows you have clue what you're talking about on that topic.

The fact that you don't understand that the athletic department is made up of people and that the culture comes from and is shown by those employees shows that you are rationalizing and don't understand the point.

The players dorm is a project that any other program is more than welcome to do as it falls well within all NCAA rules. The rules are clear on what can be provided and how and KU is well within those rules. I don't see anything controversial about the dorms at all, nor would any ISU fan if ISU was able to raise $17 million to build one.

"Well within" is a massive overstatement. and the fact that KU is willing to flirt with limits of the rules by squeezing through a loophole on something as visible as a multi-million dollar project tells most non-homer people that KU is probably willing to things that fall outside of loopholes on things that aren't drawing that much public attention.

The hiring of players parents to the positions they were hired into was also well within the rules in place at the time and certainly didn't "push the rules" of anything.

So to sum up, the actions you used as examples only show KU skirting the rules because you appear not to have a clear understanding of what the rules were/are. No biggie. A little research can help out.

I don't need to address hiring player's parents, it has been used as an example where KU was working the loopholes to give players additional benefits.

So to sum up, I understand the rules fine and never said that KU itself violated the letter of the rules. And your response shows that you don't have a clear understanding of the point I was making and how KU's history makes them a likely candidate to have been involved. Maybe you should take a step back, try and see KU how most non KU fans are seeing KU right now, and not make comments that could come back to haunt you.

 

[isutrevman]

My assumption has always been that everybody cheats because that's the only way to compete. It was interesting to see Fran Fraschilla tweet that there were a lot of honest coaches that were thrilled with this. Fingers crossed.

Fraschilla has had some weird comments about this so far. In one tweet, he credited Huggins for winning with lower ranked recruits and doing it "the right way". I sent him a message asking about Bill Walker and Michael Beasley and got no reply. Beasley sued a former agent several years ago and in the process, claimed that he was steared toward KSU and an assistant coach provided his mom with monthly payments for him to go there.

 

[randomfan44]

The fact that you don't understand that the athletic department is made up of people and that the culture comes from and is shown by those employees shows that you are rationalizing and don't understand the point.



"Well within" is a massive overstatement. and the fact that KU is willing to flirt with limits of the rules by squeezing through a loophole on something as visible as a multi-million dollar project tells most non-homer people that KU is probably willing to things that fall outside of loopholes on things that aren't drawing that much public attention.



I don't need to address hiring player's parents, it has been used as an example where KU was working the loopholes to give players additional benefits.

So to sum up, I understand the rules fine and never said that KU itself violated the letter of the rules. And your response shows that you don't have a clear understanding of the point I was making and how KU's history makes them a likely candidate to have been involved. Maybe you should take a step back, try and see KU how most non KU fans are seeing KU right now, and not make comments that could come back to haunt you.

Good grief. Employees of the ticket department STOLE millions of dollars from the University. The point you're trying to make is that because they are employees of the Athletic Department that they must have learned that criminal behavior from the Athletic Department so therefor the Athletic Department is shady for having employees that ripped them off for millions of dollars.

That honestly has to be the most absurd attempt at logical thought I have seen in some time. And that's saying something these days.

 

[isutrevman]

No, just pointing out it is silly to start speculating about what the punishment for Kansas should be when there is zero evidence that anything written in that silly article is even remotely true. I have zero interest in changing anyone's mind here; I am not foolish enough to believe that this is an option.

Just pumping the brakes on the lynch mob. Kansas Athletics Department has made numerous statements that they have had zero contact from the federal government. If they are lying then making that statement accomplishes nothing but plant a grenade between their own legs and pulling the pin. I doubt some Duke fan in North Carolina knows more about the case than the actual people doing the investigating.

Denial is the first stage of grief.

 

[randomfan44]

You are 100% right that there has been nothing but wishful thinking and dubiously sourced articles that link KU to this mess. But can you honestly say you aren't sweating it just a bit? At this point I would be far more surprised if KU, UK, UNC, Duke, etc. are NOT involved in this in some way.

A bit? Yes but not much at all. Honestly, ANY TEAM who has recruited a top 50 or so ranked player should be at least a little concerned, ISU included. Those players have shady agents and shoe guys circling them all the time no matter where they end up going to school. With millions of dollars on the line if these kids end up being NBA players, these guys want to get in with them as early as possible.

Kansas in part built their new dorm to help keep runners and shoe guys away from the players. The old dorm building had virtually zero security so it was possible for people like this to get themselves into the building and walk right up to their dorm room door. Now they need badge access to get in the building AND to get past a manned sign in desk so I know Self and staff are interested in trying to keep these types of people away from the players as much as they can, at least once they hit campus.

 

[randomfan44]

Denial is the first stage of grief.

It's called taking a step back and logically looking at all of the known facts of a situation. If I am presented with some facts that make things look different then I will change my opinion of what is going on.

 

[Ozclone]

Good grief. Employees of the ticket department STOLE millions of dollars from the University. The point you're trying to make is that because they are employees of the Athletic Department that they must have learned that criminal behavior from the Athletic Department so therefor the Athletic Department is shady for having employees that ripped them off for millions of dollars.

That honestly has to be the most absurd attempt at logical thought I have seen in some time. And that's saying something these days.

One employee, then I don't disagree with you. Multiple employees indicate a culture exists. The fact that you can't follow logic doesn't surprise me, you aren't the most logical of posters, tending towards an emotional defense of anything even slightly negative towards KU.

 

[Macloney]

Wiggins, McLemore, Kelly Oubre, Embiid, Tyshawn Taylor all had Adidas contracts in the NBA after attending ku.

If it walks like a duck.