Fred's bench use.

[rholtgraves]

I think it is funny that people think Fred only wants players like Niang playing center. He wants the best players available and will use them in ways to create mismatches. He would love to have a guy like Embiid playing center or even a 6'10 guy. But he doesn't want a stiff out there. I think McKay is actually the first athletic bigs he has been able to get that fits what he wants in a big guy.
One of top priorities in the next class is Diallo.

 

[ISUTex]

I think by using those players, it really hurts our match-up advantages on the offensive end. If a defense can sag off one of our players, it makes it easier for them to guard us.

Yeah, but being dog a@@ tired hurts our match up advantages too. On both ends of the court. I would play Edozie more. He's very athletic and works hard under the basket. At least for a couple of minutes any way. 5-8 minutes a game- a few minutes into each half? I know I'm obviously not as smart as Hoiberg (duh), but it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Rural]

If the team we just played shoots anything like that, no one will beat them.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

I honestly think, and I'm going to be an armchair coach for a minute, that if Hoiberg utilized the bench he has a little bit more (I'm talking 4-5 min. for Percy, Edozie, SDW etc.) our guys would be more fresh at the end of games when they need to pull stops and they can better avoid foul trouble as well, whereas Percy/Edozie/SDW are each good for a hard foul or two if need be. Nothing is inherently wrong with only 7-man rotations, but our guys are literally facing giants game in and game out. That can really wear on a player, and it is evident that it wears on our guys at the end of games when we're trying to claw back from behind. I don't advocate we switch to Fran's 11 or 12 man or whatever rotations, but nothing seems wrong with giving 2 or 3 more SCHOLARSHIP players a reason to stay in Ames. You think SDW signed at ISU to ride pine for 2 years? Don't be surprised if he is lost as collateral in the off season.

 

[bellzisu]

Ya been asking the same question in my mind since December; I think edozie can help but who knows. Percy just jogs the court kind of agree on sitting him. I would have also liked to see bluford get more time because our guards cannot shoot 3 consistently and maybe he could have with more time? Who knows though this team was never built to win a championship; they are built to possibly make sweet 16 or elite 8 if they get some hot shooting. We were so cold in the second half from three line but hot as heck in first half; just too bad about naz he just cannot hit them with consistency. Oh how I wish we had babb.

You realize he left the team don't you???

This is why fans don't coach, or the coach shouldn't listen to fans.

 

[oldman]

I thought we outscored Kansas in the paint this past game.

 

[CyFan03]

Good to see that the "put in the bench guys and foul the **** out of them" strategy finally showed up.

When the other team is shooting great, you have a hard time stopping them, more free points is always a solid way to go.

I'm not saying to foul every trip down the floor. But do you honestly think that when Ejim or Niang gets their 2nd foul, which is usually in the 1st half of every game, they are truly playing as hard as they can on the defensive end? Yes they are smart players, but how many "fouls" has Niang received while he is just standing there with his arms straight up. Doing exactly what he is supposed to he is either giving them a free basket, or they are calling him for some bs foul. Maybe if Gibson or Edozie are in there, they can body them more BEFORE the pass gets made, and the player catches it 2-3 feet further away from the basket. Hmm, there's a thought.

 

[CyTwins]

I'm not saying to foul every trip down the floor. But do you honestly think that when Ejim or Niang gets their 2nd foul, which is usually in the 1st half of every game, they are truly playing as hard as they can on the defensive end? Yes they are smart players, but how many "fouls" has Niang received while he is just standing there with his arms straight up. Doing exactly what he is supposed to he is either giving them a free basket, or they are calling him for some bs foul. Maybe if Gibson or Edozie are in there, they can body them more BEFORE the pass gets made, and the player catches it 2-3 feet further away from the basket. Hmm, there's a thought.

Niang and Ejim combined for 42 points 12 rebounds and 8 assists. Hard to put them on the bench

 

[sheepplucker]

with percy in there would have been a bigger body to dump the ball to after kane or who ever drove to the basket. if embiid stayed with percy they had an easier shot. if not maybe he would of fouled a 6'9 guy a little more. it was just frustrating watching embiid barely have to try, like someone in HS dominating grade school kids.

 

[CyTwins]

with percy in there would have been a bigger body to dump the ball to after kane or who ever drove to the basket. if embiid stayed with percy they had an easier shot. if not maybe he would of fouled a 6'9 guy a little more. it was just frustrating watching embiid barely have to try, like someone in HS dominating grade school kids.

So Embiid left Georges who had 24 points to block shots but he would have stayed on Percy Gibson because he's two inches taller?

 

[isucy86]

IMO People are Missing the Issue

First of all KU is the only Big 12 team that our lack of inside player puts ISU at almost an insurmountable disadvange- Embiid, Ellis and Wiggins combine length, power, quickness. Against every other Big 12 team, Hogue, Ejim and Niang can compete against the other teams bigs and I feel ISU has a 50/50 shot of beating the likes of OSU, OU and UT.

IMO playing time for Edozie & Gibson is not about keeping our bigs out of foul trouble. The reason for not playing them isn't because they hurt our offense. If Edozie or Gibson are playing, Fred can put a lineup on the court with 4 scorers. Where Edozie and Gibson's size would help is to stop the need to double down on all passes to the post. Good passing teams with an inside/outside combo are going to get open shots as we recover out of the double team.

I think if they could contribute, Fred would be playing them and he probably would have played them in Nov/Dec to develop.

 

[mb7299]

I kind of hope Gibson does transfer, not because of any malice toward him but because in the right system he could be a heck of a player for a team, its tough to forget how good of a finisher/post up player he was as a freshman along side a play maker (White). Not playing one of the back up posts kind of shows were into the gimmick game still in Hoiberg's young coaching career (think Don Nelson) and posts dont exist in that type of system (unless your Manute Bol and can hit 3's).

 

[Frak]

HOLY CRAP! that was a pretty good post

I agree, nice post by deanvogs, and he didn't even have to go the Hok route for me to think that. My opinion is that while it would have been nice to see Edozie or Gibson, the truth is that we would have STILL had to bring the double vs Embiid and Ellis because Edozie/Gibson flat out cannot guard guys that talented. The only way I see it working is if either Embiid or Ellis start missing FTs and then you bring in one of those two and tell them to foul if they get beat. Problem is, both of those guys seem to hit every FT against us. So if we still have to double the post against whoever they're guarding, what possible addition do they bring except for resting the starters? It's not offensively for sure.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I kind of hope Gibson does transfer, not because of any malice toward him but because in the right system he could be a heck of a player for a team, its tough to forget how good of a finisher/post up player he was as a freshman along side a play maker (White). Not playing one of the back up posts kind of shows were into the gimmick game still in Hoiberg's young coaching career (think Don Nelson) and posts dont exist in that type of system (unless your Manute Bol and can hit 3's).

Ha. Gimmick. Like the gimmicks NBA teams use. Gimmick. LOL

 

[Tre4ISU]

I think it's bad that deanvogs has perhaps the best post in this thread and some Cyclones say some incredibly stupid things. Holy crap the idiocy.

 

[isucy86]

I kind of hope Gibson does transfer, not because of any malice toward him but because in the right system he could be a heck of a player for a team, its tough to forget how good of a finisher/post up player he was as a freshman along side a play maker (White). Not playing one of the back up posts kind of shows were into the gimmick game still in Hoiberg's young coaching career (think Don Nelson) and posts dont exist in that type of system (unless your Manute Bol and can hit 3's).

I hope Percy sticks around ISU for his senior year and gets his degree. When you have 13 scholarship players only 8-9 max are needed in conference play IMO it is one thing to have an honest discussion with a kid when thwy are freshman, but once they play on the team a couple years, I feel they are Cyclones for life even if they don't get PT. If these guys are truely student athletes like the NCAA claims then graduating kids from school is more important than Pey.

 

[eddiepishammerd]

It's very simple. Neither of these two present any type of mismatch. Two players that would be great in this system imo would be White from Iowa and Mcdoormats kid from creighton.

 

[Wesley]

Good to see that the "put in the bench guys and foul the **** out of them" strategy finally showed up.

When the other team is shooting great, you have a hard time stopping them, more free points is always a solid way to go.

Bubu can become our fouling machine when we need it.

 

[Wesley]

It's very simple. Neither of these two present any type of mismatch. Two players that would be great in this system imo would be White from Iowa and Mcdoormats kid from creighton.

If McDoormats kid was our fifth starter, we would be Syracuse equivalent.

 

[mb7299]

I can see where your coming from, I guess I just look at it from a point of pride and it would be like if he just trained for a job for numerous years and never actually got do the job, while knowing deep down that he could be effective at a smaller school. I honestly think hes a 12pg 7reb type of guy in the right system. I get why some one like Skoglund a couple of years ago never transferred out because lets me honest its possible no one else would have given him a scholarship but Percy's a good player.