Game Thoughts Oklahoma State

[cyatheart]

Agree on 75. To think he is the best we have at such an important LT position. At this point they need to consider benching him. Anyone should be better. Play a soph or freshman. No loss. He is slow, out of position often and more porous than a sieve.

It's not just him, if you watch a little you can see everyone missing blocks on run plays.

 

[isucyfan]

I unfortunately witnessed a bicyclist get hit by a car on Lincoln Way across from Hilton after the game. I can't find any news about it. Does anyone happen to know anything about that?

 

[Stormin]

119 pass attempts without a sack is a lot. Rocco has decent elusiveness but it’s not possible to have no sacks with that many attempts without very good pass protection. As a reference at the rate Purdy got sacked as a senior he would’ve likely been sacked 6.2 times after 119 attempts. That’s a huge difference, and I’m skeptical it can be explained that Rocco is far more elusive and able to make quick decisions than Sr Purdy.

But regardless of how it’s happening it’s a very good sign.

IMO it is a lot of quick passes. Makes a lot of difference. No question pass protection is better than run game blocking.

 

[Stormin]

Agree

It’s clear the staff got caught treating the Ohio game as practice for the **** offense they want to run, and it cost them a W. Just another needless pillow fight in a game in which the staff knew our defense would keep us in the game

We’ve known for 6 seasons our offensive talent looks “better” the more points our defense gives up.

In reality, that talent is just less marginalized by the staff in these type of games. Most of our Ok St matchups the last 8 seasons looked like yesterday

I can only imagine how much better they’d be with a staff that coached offense at a high level, and they used non-conference as a time to master how we need to play

Your new staff will not have Heacock and his Defensive Staff when you get that new Head Coach. The baby gets thrown out with the bath water.

 

[isucy86]

Please show me the defensive scheme where a LB doesn't cover a RB out of the backfield - especially in a man coverage for this offensive formation. Very common and happens all the time. Maybe complain about three man rush. How do we know the CB didn't get sucked over and missed deep coverage?

Obvious OSU saw something on tape. No way a 240lb LB should be covering a fast running back with no help from a safety. OSU runs that play 10 times and we cover with only Bacon, it's a TD about half the time. IMO the staff should have called a TO.

 

[isucy86]

Thanks for the clarification. Was there man with deep Zone coverage or was everybody in man? We are rarely in man every where.

No over the top help. The RB motioned wide and OSU also had a slot bunch set on that side and ran 4 routes inside the hash marks.

I love Bacon, but his a run stopping, blitzing LB. Not a pass cover guy. The staff needed to call a TO with such a big play potential mismatch.

 

[qwerty]

The 17 yard sack was big. Got me wondering, What is the largest loss of yards in a sack by an ISU defender?



Bueller, Bueller, anyone.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Obvious OSU saw something on tape. No way a 240lb LB should be covering a fast running back with no help from a safety. OSU runs that play 10 times and we cover with only Bacon, it's a TD about half the time. IMO the staff should have called a TO.

How do u know there wasn't supposed to be help from a safety?

 

[That's a winner!]

If memory serves, they were "Animal" by Neon Trees and "Shut up and Dance" by Walk Off the Moon".

Could be wrong, but check those out and see.

Nope....those were played but not the ones I was looking for.....Thanks for trying though....

 

[acoustimac]

The past few games I’ve watched something that drives me nuts…receivers who run routes on third down that are two yards short of the line. It’s perplexing at best and just poor execution overall.

 

[isucy86]

How do u know there wasn't supposed to be help from a safety?

The safeties didn't react to the RB in motion pre-snap and after snap the DB's were eye's on the crossing receivers. Bacon was on an island vs. the RB.

 

[ExCyment]

Are we sure that’s not on the coaches? It seemed to me it had been drilled in his head “Do not go out of bounds. Get them to use their timeouts”. I’m obviously speculating, but why else would he have done that?

The mindset going into that last drive should have been let’s get 2 first downs. Instead it looked to me the mindset was: get them to use their TOs.

It might not have been. I’m not privy to what’s being communicated. But that is what it looked like to me.

Yes we are sure, bonehead play by Sanders. You need to get a first down and avoid going out out of bounds to end the game. Coaching staff and players should have been emphasizing not going out of bounds. Sliding after picking up a first down, brilliant pay. Before, giant lack of execution.

It's not just him, if you watch a little you can see everyone missing blocks on run plays.

My hope is they are just learning a new blocking scheme and will get better. Right now everything is a look out block. It looks like they are suppose to chip the lineman then block a second level defender. They are neither blocking the lineman or the second level defenders at all.

 

[thisISnextyear]

The past few games I’ve watched something that drives me nuts…receivers who run routes on third down that are two yards short of the line. It’s perplexing at best and just poor execution overall.

The past few games??? Few must be >63

 

[AuH2O]

The safeties didn't react to the RB in motion pre-snap and after snap the DB's were eye's on the crossing receivers. Bacon was on an island vs. the RB.

I would almost guarantee that was a mistake. If you have man w LB in RB like that and the RB motions out to fill the otherwise empty wideout spot, I’d be shocked if they didn’t have an automatic to shift coverage over the top.

 

[JRE1975]

I’d like to find a stat for QB pressures. Anyone have that data?

We pressured OSU 11 times
OSU pressured us 2 times

 

[bozclone]

Yes we are sure, bonehead play by Sanders. You need to get a first down and avoid going out out of bounds to end the game. Coaching staff and players should have been emphasizing not going out of bounds. Sliding after picking up a first down, brilliant pay. Before, giant lack of execution.

My hope is they are just learning a new blocking scheme and will get better. Right now everything is a look out block. It looks like they are suppose to chip the lineman then block a second level defender. They are neither blocking the lineman or the second level defenders at all.

Sanders will learn from it. He likely was thinking on the fly and thought, “oh, don’t go out of bounds”. I’m sure he will think about the situation pre snap next time. Experience will help

 

[isucy86]

There was a lot to be positive about on the offense in the OSU game. And in my mind, any Big12 win is BIG! Plus got to win at home to keep fans engaged.

The run game is a head scratcher because there ZERO holes. Neal & Hufford are on the ground way too much and we seem to struggle with double teams.

• Have given up on Rocco running in RPO formation. And that might be a good thing, just not sure he has the foot speed or instinct to be effective. IMO that means we have to create other deception plays in the run game. In the Ohio game, first series after half we ran a quick pitch and it was effective. Don't think I saw again against Ohio or OSU. We bring the WR in motion a lot, there should be a jet sweep or deep handoff option.
• Don't feel WR in motion is effective since we don't run jet sweep. The WR isn't looking to chip a DL or LB and it seems to bring a DB to the backside line-of-scrimmage. Would seem to be beneficial if WR was clear of tackle when ball is snapped.
• It's seems like we play fewer OL than ever in Campbell's tenure. I think we only played 6 guys yesterday and not sure if we played a backup tackle. Makes me nervous about the future. Hope Remsburg can make a big impact when he comes back for Oct 14 game at Cincy.

Our defense is a puzzle. For the most part they are solid, except when it counts in last minutes of each half. I thought it might our defense was playing soft and only rushing 3. But that wasn't the case against OSU. We brought 4 guys or blitzed most downs. But our pass rush just isn't effective

• It seems like what makes our run defense effective, hurts with our pass rush. Our DE's aggressively pinch in, which tends to bunch our 3 DL inside the tackle box. Allowing the opposing QB to float outside the pocket and avoid the rush. Or it creates passing lanes for QB to throw.
• Not a fan of a LB spying the QB. Bowman wasn't much of a running threat and it essentially creates a 10 man defense.
• Orange is a load in the middle on run plays, but at this point in his career, he seems to get little push on pass plays. Singleton and Onyedim seem to be better pass rushing options. Especially with emergence of some young DE's.
• Would love to see Heacock play some 4-2-5 to be more physical up front and add a dimension for opposing offenses to prepare for. But I have given up on that and I think he can achieve similar results by bringing Bacon, Ellis or Lovett from different spots.
• We seem to have a ton of LB's that play, but not sure any does so at high level. They all tend to be solid run defenders, but get lost in pass defense. Would like to see Ben Nikkel play some LB in long yardage situations. We seem to have an abundance of safeties with Verdon, Cooper and Freyler. Plus it looks like Howard, Patton and James can provide safety depth.

OU's going to be tough in Norman. But I'm encouraged by their only scoring 20 points against Cincy.

 

[isufbcurt]

There was a lot to be positive about on the offense in the OSU game. And in my mind, any Big12 win is BIG! Plus got to win at home to keep fans engaged.

The run game is a head scratcher because there ZERO holes. Neal & Hufford are on the ground way too much and we seem to struggle with double teams.

• Have given up on Rocco running in RPO formation. And that might be a good thing, just not sure he has the foot speed or instinct to be effective. IMO that means we have to create other deception plays in the run game. In the Ohio game, first series after half we ran a quick pitch and it was effective. Don't think I saw again against Ohio or OSU. We bring the WR in motion a lot, there should be a jet sweep or deep handoff option.
• Don't feel WR in motion is effective since we don't run jet sweep. The WR isn't looking to chip a DL or LB and it seems to bring a DB to the backside line-of-scrimmage. Would seem to be beneficial if WR was clear of tackle when ball is snapped.
• It's seems like we play fewer OL than ever in Campbell's tenure. I think we only played 6 guys yesterday and not sure if we played a backup tackle. Makes me nervous about the future. Hope Remsburg can make a big impact when he comes back for Oct 14 game at Cincy.

Our defense is a puzzle. For the most part they are solid, except when it counts in last minutes of each half. I thought it might our defense was playing soft and only rushing 3. But that wasn't the case against OSU. We brought 4 guys or blitzed most downs. But our pass rush just isn't effective

• It seems like what makes our run defense effective, hurts with our pass rush. Our DE's aggressively pinch in, which tends to bunch our 3 DL inside the tackle box. Allowing the opposing QB to float outside the pocket and avoid the rush. Or it creates passing lanes for QB to throw.
• Not a fan of a LB spying the QB. Bowman wasn't much of a running threat and it essentially creates a 10 man defense.
• Orange is a load in the middle on run plays, but at this point in his career, he seems to get little push on pass plays. Singleton and Onyedim seem to be better pass rushing options. Especially with emergence of some young DE's.
• Would love to see Heacock play some 4-2-5 to be more physical up front and add a dimension for opposing offenses to prepare for. But I have given up on that and I think he can achieve similar results by bringing Bacon, Ellis or Lovett from different spots.
• We seem to have a ton of LB's that play, but not sure any does so at high level. They all tend to be solid run defenders, but get lost in pass defense. Would like to see Ben Nikkel play some LB in long yardage situations. We seem to have an abundance of safeties with Verdon, Cooper and Freyler. Plus it looks like Howard, Patton and James can provide safety depth.

OU's going to be tough in Norman. But I'm encouraged by their only scoring 20 points against Cincy.

Most good teams don't rotate OL, they stick with their core guys.

 

[farm85]

Oklahoma State’s Loss to Iowa State a Further Indictment on Constant Personnel Switching

The Cowboys were not prepared for Big 12 play.

pistolsfiringblog.com

 

[t-noah]

Most good teams don't rotate OL, they stick with their core guys.

I love ya man, but...

You are leaving yourself wide open on this one! Haha

I will defer to your judgement, of course. But we might benefit from giving a few more OL players some reps. It couldn't hurt. Don't you think?