Hall of Fame

[Gordyo5]

Based on his stats right now he has quite a jump on getting in, I think people give too much credit to winning super bowls. Obviously that is what you are playing for but even he has said that they won the first despite him. As much as I do not like him he is averaging a little over 10 wins a season and if he does that for the rest of his career he is a sure lock, but just because he has 2 rings shouldn't lock it for him.


Edit: Obviously talking about Roethlesberger

 

[LindenCy]

He's been in the league for what, 10 years? Out of which, he's had three really great seasons, and seven really mediocre seasons. HOF qualifiers should have more consistency. Again, my opinion here.

If Terrell Davis has a shot at the HOF, Warner has to be in. I do think the consistency will hurt, but the name itself "hall of fame" kind of indicates it isn't all about numbers. His story, his SBs, etc. will get him in. Anyone who leads the Cardinals to the SB should be in automatically. :wink:

 

[URBCLONE]

Not to mention, being the leader/catalyst that got his teams to the title. It's not like he was just a "bus driving" quarterback (Dilfer, Johnson). He was one of the biggest reasons his teams succeeded.

He's not the best QB in NFL history, but he's certainly one of the better ones and should be one of the most respected not only for his on-field actions - but off-field as well.

Personally, I hope to see him in Arizona again this coming fall.

Great post. Totally agree. Heartbreaking loss for the Cardinals aka the ISU of the NFL tonight.

 

[LindenCy]

Based on his stats right now he has quite a jump on getting in, I think people give too much credit to winning super bowls. Obviously that is what you are playing for but even he has said that they won the first despite him. As much as I do not like him he is averaging a little over 10 wins a season and if he does that for the rest of his career he is a sure lock, but just because he has 2 rings shouldn't lock it for him.

I assume you mean Roethlesberger?

 

[NobodyBeatsCy]

Understandable, but at the same time, how many QBs have lead two teams and made three appearances to the Super Bowl?

Not sure that really matters one way or another. A ham sandwich can get in with enough votes, can't it?

 

[LindenCy]

Not sure that really matters one way or another. A ham sandwich can get in with enough votes, can't it?

A ham sandwich sounds good right now.:smile:

 

[kingcy]

Based on his stats right now he has quite a jump on getting in, I think people give too much credit to winning super bowls. Obviously that is what you are playing for but even he has said that they won the first despite him. As much as I do not like him he is averaging a little over 10 wins a season and if he does that for the rest of his career he is a sure lock, but just because he has 2 rings shouldn't lock it for him.

QBs are paid to win games. Winning is what seperates the good ones from the great ones. Winning in the postseason is what make legends.

 

[Gordyo5]

QBs are paid to win games. Winning is what seperates the good ones from the great ones. Winning in the postseason is what make legends.

I agree that the ultimate goal is to win, but I also think that QBs are often given to much credit for either a win or the loss. Tonight Roethlisberger played well and deserves the credit, but the last one he was terrible and they still won. I guess just because he has 2 rings I do not think that makes him better than Peyton Manning, Marino, or Jim Kelley. Obviously he has plenty of his career left and is well on his way but I do not think we should induct him just yet.

 

[cyman1189]

Kurt doesnt belong in canton. You need to be consistently good throughout your career and he simply wasnt. He won 1 MVP, and one Super Bowl win... that doesnt equal being enshrined in the HOF. I like the guy, but there is jsut other guys that should get the nod before him

 

[cybsball20]

IMO, if you have to ask the question, they aren't a hall of famer.

 

[Gordyo5]

Kurt doesnt belong in canton. You need to be consistently good throughout your career and he simply wasnt. He won 1 MVP, and one Super Bowl win... that doesnt equal being enshrined in the HOF. I like the guy, but there is jsut other guys that should get the nod before him

I believe he has won the MVP twice, Super Bowl MVP once and one Super Bowl win. Every other 2 time or more winner is in or will be in the hall of fame. I think he is just hurt by the fact that he got a later start in the NFL but if he stays one more year and starts I think he will be a lock, if he retires now I think he still gets in but not on the first ballot.

 

[cyman1189]

I believe he has won the MVP twice, Super Bowl MVP once and one Super Bowl win. Every other 2 time or more winner is in or will be in the hall of fame. I think he is just hurt by the fact that he got a later start in the NFL but if he stays one more year and starts I think he will be a lock, if he retires now I think he still gets in but not on the first ballot.

i can agree with that... sorry on the off stats

 

[jdoggivjc]

My thoughts on Kurt-

I want him to be a HoF, I think he deserves it, but I can understand the argument against. He has a good 5 years in the middle of his career where he basically faded into oblivion. Quite frankly, the guy never should have signed with New York - he was only ever meant to be a bridge to Eli Manning and the organization was just waiting for the "Iowa boy" to succumb to the pressures of life that come with living in that big of a city (media, unreasonable NY-er fan expectations, etc) in order to hand the reins over to Eli. Same thing almost happened in Arizona (which would have been the death of his career), except Leinart appears to be more and more of a bust, while Warner figured out, like in St. Louis, he actually has two receivers worth throwing to (in Boldin and Fitzgerald).

If he were to retire today, his entrance into Canton is questionable. I think the only way in that case it is ensured is if there's a really weak class one year. I think if he sticks around for another 2-4 years and those years greatly resemble last year, the half year before that, and those years in St. Louis, as well as a number of playoff victories and maybe another Super Bowl victory, they'll find a place to stick a bronze bust of Warner in the hall.

In any regard, does anyone think the Rams are now kicking themselves for releasing Warner instead of Bulger (I know they weren't initially, but Bulger has been nothing for the last several years, while Warner has revitalized his career)?

 

[Bubbahotep]

If Favre retires this year, it would probably be in Warner's best interest to keep playing, because I doubt they would induct two QB's in the same HOF class, and if he had to wait a year after that, the naysayers would be more vocal about him not getting in.

 

[cycloneworld]

Career Stats:

Guy 1
27,989 yards, 51.9% completion, 212 TDs, 210 INTs, 70.9 rating.

Guy 2
28,591 yards, 65.4% completion, 182 TDs, 118 INTs, 93.8 rating.

Guy 3
32,942 yards, 61.5% completion, 165 TDs, 141 INTs, 81.6 rating.

Guy 4
27,663 yards, 50.1% completion, 173 TDs, 220 INTs, 65.5 rating.

Who should be in and who shouldn't be?

Guy 1: Terry Bradshaw
Guy 2: Kurt Warner
Guy 3: Troy Aikman
Guy 4: Joe Namath

The other 3 guys are in the HOF. Throw in 2 NFL MVPs, 3 Super Bowl Appearances, 1 Super Bowl Win, and 1 Super Bowl MVP for Warner and he is definitely in IMO.

 

[CloneFan65]

I can't believe it's even being debated. Warner's a definite HOFer.

 

[IcSyU]

Guy 4
27,663 yards, 50.1% completion, 173 TDs, 220 INTs, 65.5 rating.

Guy 4: Joe Namath

Wow, those aren't anything to really brag about at all. The only decent thing is yards and the other stuff sucks pretty bad...

 

[ISUpike33]

I feel like a HOF player should consistently be a player that you would basically trade anyone for, or would love to have on your favorite team. I have a hard time putting Kurt Warner as a top 5 QB right now in the NFL let alone one of the historical greats.

If you look at it closely you will see that he has been good with StL and Arizona, both teams that play indoors in ideal climates. His numbers speak for themselves when he plays in bad weather (ex. Giants years).

My opinion, and I know it doesn't matter, is that he is a very good player, but not a Hall of Famer.

 

[aeroclone]

He made it to the Super Bowl 3 times with the Rams and the Cardinals! There aren't many places in the league where it would be tougher to make the big game, and he did it at both.

Also, believe the Register ran a thing the other day with all the QBs who have started 3 or more Super Bowls. When you look at the list of guys to do it, you realize what an elite club it is, even if Warner has only won it all once.

 

[LindenCy]

Career Stats:

Guy 1
27,989 yards, 51.9% completion, 212 TDs, 210 INTs, 70.9 rating.

Guy 2
28,591 yards, 65.4% completion, 182 TDs, 118 INTs, 93.8 rating.

Guy 3
32,942 yards, 61.5% completion, 165 TDs, 141 INTs, 81.6 rating.

Guy 4
27,663 yards, 50.1% completion, 173 TDs, 220 INTs, 65.5 rating.

Who should be in and who shouldn't be?

Guy 1: Terry Bradshaw
Guy 2: Kurt Warner
Guy 3: Troy Aikman
Guy 4: Joe Namath

The other 3 guys are in the HOF. Throw in 2 NFL MVPs, 3 Super Bowl Appearances, 1 Super Bowl Win, and 1 Super Bowl MVP for Warner and he is definitely in IMO.

Nice stats. I am surprised Aikman had as few as he did, but his career was cut short. Warner is in. Top 3 yardage games in the Super Bowl, 2 MVPs, 1 Super Bowl MVP, great story, well liked, he's in. If he plays another year or two and pushes over the 30k and 200 TD mark, it will just solidify it.